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hey everyone welcome to the show i'm

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martin willis your host

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and we have a great show for you this

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evening we have tom king out in phoenix

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he's going to be talking about the

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phoenix lights and a lot more he started

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doing sky watches just a year before the

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phoenix lights events happened he was

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there he witnessed it

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and there's still a lot going on

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he's very interesting he was on the show

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he called in on the show once and after

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i had him on the show for a little while

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i said that guy needs to come on the

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show and here he is

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and

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also i want to say happy uh

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international women's day to all the

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women out there every march 8th so

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um

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we uh we adore you women and thank you

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for all you do every day of the year uh

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the conflict in ukraine of course is

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crushing i did a show

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on that with a russian gentleman that i

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know a great guy that's up on youtube if

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you haven't caught it yet i also put the

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audio in the audio feed because i think

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it's an important show there's nothing

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that we can really have against the

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russian people it's not them it's one

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person and that's what we go into

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on this and um i love the russian people

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i've been there four times with my

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ex-girlfriend

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and most of the russian people are good

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um i'm not going to say anything about

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my ex-girlfriend did i say that out loud

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no anyway so uh next week i'm proud and

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happy to announce

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that on the 15th of march we have gary

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nolan

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he's going to be on for the first hour

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and joining him in the first hour is

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going to be lou elizondo

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sean cahill so that should be one heck

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of a show next week don't miss that one

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and start sending me questions if you'd

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like last time i had luan i kind of got

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flooded with questions but i don't mind

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a lot of times i can take one question

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out of a bunch of them and make sense of

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it and make a really good question so

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martin at

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podcastufo.com if you want to email me

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your questions ahead of time for either

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one of them um so i saw today

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through someone

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showed me that uh john greenwald has

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gotten the uh resignation letter of lou

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elizondo back in october and 2017

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pretty much spells out

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his frustration in the

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letter

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uh with what was happening to the

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project and it's very legitimate with

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the reason why he

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uh the um uaps were the frustration he

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uh the people he was working with not

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taking seriously he clearly says in the

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document that's the reason why he left

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so it's very interesting and the blog

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this week

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is uh ufos strange creatures

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in hurrah washington so uh check that

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out that's by charles lee or as usual

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and uh great blog as always and i'm

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bringing in our guest welcome to the

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show tom

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thanks for having me martin

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so tom just keep it up

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yeah just keep in mind the mic you want

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to make sure you're right up near that

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if you would and uh you can see some

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cool things for those of you watching

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this on video he's got like an r2d2 type

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of thing in the background and all kinds

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of fun stuff but uh

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she has finally

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shut up yeah yeah she doesn't the robot

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will run her over

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yeah there you go okay i knew there was

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a reason you had that so anyway but not

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hurt her though right just you know

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quiet her down that's all she's just but

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thanks for thanks for joining us tom uh

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would you please give your background

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and you know talk about

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what made you interested in doing these

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sky watches in the beginning and all

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uh the first ufo sighting i had i was

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um my dad had me and my brothers out

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night fishing at a dam

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and all of a sudden the sky lit up

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at night turned into day and we looked

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up and there was

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this boom we heard this like sonic boom

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in there and something was glowing above

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us five six hundred feet

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wow this was a close encounter

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we were scared um the object then landed

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about a thousand feet away behind some

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and then started shooting up red green

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purple different colored orbs would come

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up above the tree line and they would go

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down my dad i didn't know what this

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stuff was but i know it wasn't normal

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so my dad said let's get in the car and

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get the hell out of here he was scared

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and when we were driving home we came to

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the stop sign he goes do you kids want

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to go down there take a right go down

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that road see where that what that thing

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is my brother said yeah yeah yeah and i

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was crying in the floorboards no no no

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no if we go down there we're never

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so that was kind of my introduction to

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so i know that's a great skeptic i grew

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up that's an anchor

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yeah well that's an incredible sighting

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that's major i mean holy mackerel wow so

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yeah back the next day in the daytime

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with the

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data 22 rifle and there was a big nine

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foot circle scorched into the ground and

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oh my god wow so that was the first

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don't really like to talk about that um

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i ended up going to northern state

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college in aberdeen south dakota where i

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lived in california for a while

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and then i knew that we had to move to

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phoenix

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that's kind of long story but i knew

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there was something we have to go to

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so the whole family moved down here in

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95. um didn't have much money because we

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i would rent video vhs i'd rent vhs

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cameras put them on tripods and do blind

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sky watching and just say does anything

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show up or fly across and if it does

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then go out and track it you know you

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you build one step at a time

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um so in 95 i started filming these

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jose escamilla really inspired me

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because he was filming the stuff in our

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new mexico so i figured well if there's

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ufos in new mexico and that 1992 wave

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and the elders we're tracking i figured

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well they drank ufos aren't going to pay

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attention to any geographical borders

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they'll be in arizona too so it didn't

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take long and i started filming those

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mexico city hockey puck um style ufos

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dropping down from space and just

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materializing it i've seen i've i've

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seen those through binoculars

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and it looked like um the color of uh it

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was a disk with a small dome over it it

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you know uh i met uh jim dilla tesla who

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was the president of village labs

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uh when i moved here i seen him on tv

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from south dakota and then when i moved

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here i happened to live

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two miles away really close so i would

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go over there

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maybe a hundred times down that lab i'd

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run down there with my footage what do

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you think jim what do you think jim

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think at the end of 96 and

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i i said you know nasa is looking in the

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wrong spot they're trying to find life

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on mars microbes come on listen to

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it's right over town

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just look up this is a hot spot

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a few months later phoenix lights

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happened and i was there to film that

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updates it was like a mailing list back

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in the 90s and it was like it was the

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thing that was where everybody

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communicated and there was a guy now a

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took named steve blonder who was seeing

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these ufos every night

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he said can somebody come over here and

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tell us what these are i don't know

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so bill said hey tom get your gear we're

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going going over this guy's house you

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see in ufos every night from 8 10.

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that's cool that sounds like a sheer

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deal there you know so i bought a super

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vhs camera tripod uh six inch telescope

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and by the time we got to steve's house

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he goes you're late you missed it you're

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late you missed it so he had filmed an

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orb or something like that so orange orb

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so we go up in and

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we watch his videos

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and i'm looking at bill and he's looking

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at me and we're thinking god 95 of his

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stuff's out of focus but he is getting

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something he's getting something he just

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needs to shoot this in manual focus

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so i say steve where are you shooting

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this stuff from because he had just got

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one that night and we go out on his

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balcony and a few minutes later goes

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there's one and

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i look and me and bill look i'm like

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okay that isn't normal that's not

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aircraft whatever that orange light is

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is one orange light shouldn't be there

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and we're looking directly south we

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weren't looking over at that military

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range

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um so i ran down trump got on my camera

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got all my stuff ran up the object was

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still there and i captured that option

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so there were multiple there were five

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events or four to five

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orbs or flares whichever you prefer to

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call them happened

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from steve blonder's location

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so a question i get a lot

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is did the military set off flares at 10

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for what flew over at 8 30. that's a

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great question uh i looked into that for

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a couple of years

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no

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those players or whatever we're going to

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go off anyway they were going off at 9

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15

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9 30 9 45 9 50 and 10. so it wasn't just

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one launch at 10 saying hey put a bunch

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of stuff in the sky so later we can

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blame it on that

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we learned us investigators that no

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one's protecting this country

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the air force none of these people

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aren't so that's just a myth they put

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out there these things flew over

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on march 13th and they didn't know what

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it was these could have been russian

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bombers i mean this could have been

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anybody and they're just oh yeah it's

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your job to figure this out and then

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later on 9 11 we saw again no one's

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really protecting this country the way

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so yeah so then so there were those

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objects going on at 10 you know 9 15 9

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five now forty nine fifty so there were

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and they were take two by me and two by

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steve

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so they did not put those orange things

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up as a diversion that's a great

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question

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yeah they were gonna happen so let's say

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the boomerang never flew down the state

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um

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we still would have been on the news

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with those five videos it just wouldn't

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have been the boomerang so when the

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boomerang came and then we had that

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thing happen at 10 we had two mass

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sightings and the same night

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that became a rare super sighting

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so

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just one second yeah i do hear the robot

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yeah

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flares as you just heard

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uh

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i've always had that question about the

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flares thinking that they were a

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diversion but so i'm glad you answered

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that question that they were just going

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to they were already planned they were

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going to happen regardless of what was

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going on

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but the thing that i have to ask you now

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that you mentioned that

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is

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find out what was happening stop

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whatever they're doing and find out what

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is going on with this it had to be on

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their radar and there is there is a

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what i've heard in the past was that

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there was a fighter jet or at least one

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that um when the pilot landed he was

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shaken you know and i don't know yeah is

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there can you explain

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basically and you know what i just

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thought of too is i have not a lot of

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new listeners maybe

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and i hate to go into it with all the

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people i've heard it so many times but

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maybe we should just go into it a little

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bit more for the new listener with the

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px lights let's back up

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yeah

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now i'm going to tell you some stuff

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i've never told anybody people probably

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never heard before

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this should have been the las vegas

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lights

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the entire state of phoenix

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but it didn't start in phoenix

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you mean arizona you mean yeah in in

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arizona it started in los in las vegas

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and it didn't start on march 13th it

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started the night before

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um what you can do is you can go to the

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ufo reporting center and you click on

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view by date okay and then go scroll way

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down to 1997 in march what you're going

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to find is this boomerang was the

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primary thing being called in before the

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phoenix lights it was spotted i think it

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was idaho

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uh they were seeing this boomerang

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around so it was the military i think

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had a bolo out to be on the lookout for

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this thing

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because they acted really weird about

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what they did

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so what happened is on march 12th

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if you look through the national ufo

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reporting center a guy saw

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a huge boomerang says 1.5 miles long

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that just flew over las vegas so

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the cover-up was going to end

382
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25 years ago these things were flying

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around to say here we are

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videotape us get us

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and almost no one did so this flew over

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las vegas on march 12 1997 and it was

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heading i think west east

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then the next night

389
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it did it again and the witnesses

390
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described two huge

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uh triangular craft they had no lights

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on them

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but they could see the belly lit up from

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the las vegas light pollution lighting

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up these dark silhouettes and they were

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heading south towards arizona so

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las vegas had their opportunity to make

398
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this a mass sighting and for some reason

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it didn't happen

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all those people in las vegas

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no one's seen it but then the the next

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night march 13th

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this thing i think was first spotted in

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henderson nevada around 6 55. oh let's

405
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back up a little bit further spot in the

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daytime the first sighting of the

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boomerang was in crown king arizona at 5

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30.

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it was over a lake and the witness said

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that there were three boomerangs in the

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and they basically were just stacked

412
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and then they

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merged

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the three into one the light shrank

415
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and it disappeared

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doesn't make any sense to us

417
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but that's what the person reported so

418
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then the object would have had to move

419
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back north up to

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start in arizona then go up to henderson

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then fly back down i-17

422
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um when it came down the first caller i

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believe his name was dennis they called

424
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in the national ufo reporting center and

425
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he was a retired police officer leaving

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his house

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uh he saw this object he said the lights

428
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were orange the same color as the 10 pm

429
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of it

430
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and he actually drove home and got it

431
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got his binoculars and looked at it uh

432
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he said they moved around the speed of

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helicopters

434
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uh there was a a trailing light behind

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it

436
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:00,079
which is very interesting that trailing

437
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light um so he saw that for a few

438
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minutes and then um the the next person

439
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um i believe he was in dewey

440
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,199
um so as soon as one person saw it the

441
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next witness picked it up and it's

442
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,360
literally a chain of this thing going

443
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:16,959
down this the state

444
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:18,720
uh there's a witness who saw this come

445
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into paulden

446
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:23,919
and he said it was the size of a safeway

447
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uh

448
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,679
the multiplayer store yeah yeah a store

449
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:29,520
and he said it just basically just

450
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,000
glided but everybody said it went too

451
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,480
slow it would fall out of the sky

452
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,120
so we're talking a speed of about 35

453
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,440
miles an hour right okay and you know

454
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,440
stall speed on like an airbus you know

455
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it's like 90 so

456
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right

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unconventional

458
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:47,760
uh so then when it got

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when it got to the paulden arizona

460
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then it shot off to prescott

461
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,240
and peter davenport got a call at 8 15

462
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from paulden and then one of 816 from

463
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prescott in one minute it went 30 miles

464
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it went 1800 miles an hour and it

465
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stopped

466
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to the hover speed it did the same thing

467
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over prescott it did a banking turn and

468
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:16,080
then it started shooting towards phoenix

469
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,160
so this object went

470
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from northern arizona all the way down

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to tucson

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by 9 30. it traveled throughout the

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whole state and it just said hey

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00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:29,919
anything goes baby just taped me and we

475
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failed as as people you know people

476
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:33,840
should have got out their cameras and

477
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taped this but there was this oh my god

478
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you i talked to so many witnesses they

479
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were frozen

480
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they they said either i watch this or i

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go fumble around inside for some old

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video camera in the closet and almost

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everybody chose to watch it

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and interesting we pay as a society

485
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because this could have ended the

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00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,600
cover-up 25 years ago

487
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they rolled the ball

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00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,520
and it didn't happen so

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by 8 30

490
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the boomerang had moved into town it was

491
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the lee family and they were the closest

492
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,640
people to it because it went right over

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their head

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and the size that they were talking it

495
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:18,160
was one big

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um

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00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,360
like carpenter square that was black and

498
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:23,440
it had these five objects in it there

499
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:25,200
are five lights

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uh

501
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:28,000
they got the closest look they think

502
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:29,600
they were at least within it was a

503
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hundred feet over their head it was so

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00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:34,400
low that it went in between peak

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and

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00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,760
you can measure that area on google maps

507
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:39,440
and say well if it went in between this

508
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,280
p it can't be bigger than x it has to be

509
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,880
within that distance

510
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,720
so it went in between these two

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mountains

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so the this one they're saying was about

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700 feet long that's that's kind of what

514
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i've settled in as that one is about 700

515
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feet

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00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,760
uh people say that it was a mile long

517
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,120
um

518
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,200
different perspectives on so anyway when

519
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,640
the boomerang got to phoenix after it

520
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,720
flew over it went down seventh at indian

521
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,679
school

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00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,039
uh then it

523
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,720
by then there was a lady named sue

524
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,880
watson and she was

525
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,720
over off camelback she was watching this

526
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,159
with her kids

527
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:19,600
and they were just freaked out this was

528
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,159
happening this thing was coming in and

529
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:24,799
when it got up to them she said it

530
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,000
shot a red laser down into the ground

531
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,159
and just at that time

532
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,080
the jets were coming in from luke

533
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,280
because luke launched jets to intercept

534
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,679
at like 8 27.

535
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,039
what happened is when they got to

536
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:41,039
paulden when they were up a little

537
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,240
farther north

538
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:44,400
somebody called luke air force base and

539
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,679
said we had a near miss with the cessna

540
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,440
so this is when they said okay we're

541
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,440
launching planes now

542
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,440
air force bases don't launch planes over

543
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,919
a ufo report if you think about that

544
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,600
they must have known that thing was in

545
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,760
las vegas the night before and they want

546
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,280
to get it

547
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,760
uh so and you heard of that guy kirk

548
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,880
russell

549
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,840
yeah

550
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,039
i know

551
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,360
he was this is a great clip yeah well

552
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,440
there's a couple of them the thing is we

553
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,919
can't get nailed down was he in prescott

554
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,240
or was he landing in phoenix we don't

555
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,880
know which city was in so was he the guy

556
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,480
who called in

557
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,200
that started the chain reaction that

558
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,159
then said luke's gonna launch some jets

559
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,679
so anyway when they did launch those

560
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,919
jets over phoenix they were coming up

561
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,120
over them

562
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,200
uh and the lights dimmed out and the

563
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:34,799
things shot away and then the lights

564
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:37,840
came back on so the the the motive of

565
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,919
this thing was to go over city slow down

566
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:43,840
and then when you get to the end of the

567
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:46,720
city speed up to the next one

568
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,080
so that was the first event

569
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,440
after that event

570
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,120
at nine o'clock

571
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,000
a huge triangle flew over the town going

572
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,600
from north to south in a different

573
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,600
flight path this was seen by different

574
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,720
people

575
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,880
uh i remember when we were

576
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,400
down at village labs and we'd have

577
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,159
witnesses come in and they'd go in this

578
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,320
huge this big room that they had down

579
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,200
there

580
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,440
and we just talked to them and this this

581
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,679
lady she came up from the tucson area

582
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,679
she saw the triangle

583
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,679
and we said what does this look like we

584
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,760
get sketches from them and she was

585
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,760
saying that there was plated steel on

586
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,919
the bottom of the belly

587
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,320
she she said this this looked like the

588
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,440
boar

589
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,679
and me and bill just looked at each

590
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,640
other like jesus she doesn't know that

591
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,799
we just talked to these other guys and

592
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,880
they said the same thing how are these

593
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,039
people all describing this

594
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:42,400
and so she saw that triangle and

595
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:43,200
we

596
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,120
dr michael tanner uh when the the

597
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,280
object one and object to the 700 foot

598
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,919
boomerang and the one one mile long um

599
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,480
triangle got to an area called picacho

600
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,480
peak which is halfway between phoenix

601
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,840
and tucson

602
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,760
he believes the objects docked and

603
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:03,919
merged together

604
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,280
really yeah we don't have any of this so

605
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,600
so so many new things that i haven't

606
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,679
heard this is really fascinating okay so

607
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:12,480
that's

608
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,440
and then i'm involved with 9 50 and 10

609
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,000
o'clock okay at 10 o'clock

610
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,000
multiple events were happening i was

611
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,840
filming those lights that were pointed

612
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,000
towards military base

613
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,919
uh at the same time there were other

614
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,440
people filming that

615
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,200
and while this happened you might have

616
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,039
heard uh there was a truck driver named

617
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,679
bill griner who was driving down i-17 he

618
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,280
didn't see any of this didn't see what i

619
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:39,840
saw which we always like how did you not

620
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,039
see what we were filming he saw these

621
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,320
two huge orbs with a red ring around him

622
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,080
he said where the size of the hot air

623
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,039
balloons they were big and they were

624
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,760
glowing within and he said luke launched

625
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,600
jets after those and they shot straight

626
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,200
up in the air so that's another event at

627
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,760
10. then we have pilot trigg johnson who

628
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,000
is a captain for southwest something

629
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:05,200
like 13 000 hours flying in the air him

630
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,799
and his two sons saw this big chevron

631
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:11,840
shaped object at 10 o'clock not 9 30 or

632
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,400
8 30 or 9 10 going down scott still road

633
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:19,200
so that's three events at ted

634
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,320
then

635
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,520
we got the supposed ufo crash

636
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,360
another person go

637
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,000
look it up on the ufo reporting center

638
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,000
said that the object had crashed in the

639
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,120
white tank mountains and it was glowing

640
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,919
at the top of the mountain and he's they

641
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,520
said his husband and wife said it looks

642
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,000
like the military was going to retrieve

643
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,390
so all this is like so so far out of the

644
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:48,000
scope of the things i've heard about

645
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,799
this

646
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,840
it's

647
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,919
this is pretty amazing so the a report

648
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,080
was made at that time

649
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,559
yeah uh pr these some of these reports

650
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,440
would would come in over over time

651
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,640
uh computer um what what really needs to

652
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,240
be done is we need to get these reports

653
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,400
live so when someone reports something

654
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,240
we can immediately know there's activity

655
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,520
in the area instead of waiting three

656
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,400
months later for a a file done

657
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,480
yeah well that's a very good a very good

658
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,679
point

659
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,039
so

660
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,840
i asked myself after all these years

661
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,919
why did this happen

662
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,279
or

663
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,360
i mean they whoever's flying these

664
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,520
things they could the whole world could

665
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,440
have changed if we just everybody just

666
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,520
recorded if we all had cell phones like

667
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,600
today uh the world would be different

668
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,520
we'd have a different conversation we'd

669
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,000
be living in a different reality

670
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,679
uh why didn't they come back and do that

671
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,559
again

672
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:43,039
if they're if if the if the the reason

673
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,080
why

674
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,320
was to stop the cover up and for the the

675
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,080
things in these vehicles to say

676
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,080
government deal with this explain all

677
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,760
this that we just done

678
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,360
if they failed why not come back the

679
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,880
next night again until or another city

680
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,720
oh or why did

681
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:00,799
did a really a ufo crash in the white

682
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,919
tank mountains and this was a

683
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,120
something where they're coming in to

684
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,919
retrieve it one of their own ships

685
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:09,279
i don't know

686
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,159
has anyone ever claimed to have gone to

687
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,590
that you're aware of not that i'm aware

688
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:22,559
of uh the i only seen one report of the

689
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,360
um

690
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,760
the ufo crap they're saying a ufo crash

691
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,919
in white tank uh but peter davenport

692
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,360
would have like the call records and the

693
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,279
phone numbers for all these people so i

694
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:34,000
don't know if like

695
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,120
i don't know if

696
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,880
anybody was ever dispatched to go

697
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,360
investigate that guy i mean these are

698
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,159
this is now a ufo cold case

699
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,679
where you're lucky to find if any of

700
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,679
these people are still live or living in

701
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,000
the same spot have any interest

702
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,960
and to get any you know good data out of

703
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,480
it

704
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,799
right right you know the first people

705
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,039
you mentioned that saw this

706
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,440
is this depiction basically what they

707
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,880
were claiming they were seeing in this

708
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,679
uh

709
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,880
in this

710
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,600
newspaper article at that time

711
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,400
yeah that was uh that's a computer um

712
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,840
kim lee did that

713
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,720
uh he's a graphic artist um and he made

714
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:14,480
that to show this is what it looked like

715
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,440
to us

716
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,679
uh a lot of people when they talk about

717
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,200
this they're saying are they just lights

718
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:20,720
and formation

719
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,600
or is there actual structure and

720
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,760
i pretty was settled on this is an

721
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,760
actual ship that uh

722
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,000
the lights along it are actually

723
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,600
individual craft

724
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,279
they're not lights

725
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,279
the witnesses said that the the five

726
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,640
main lights

727
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,720
if you could see real carefully there

728
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:41,120
were smaller lights going down the rim

729
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,559
hundreds of them

730
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,880
and those five main lights can

731
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,600
interchange so the first light can move

732
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:50,159
back to the back position they or they

733
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,880
could

734
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,039
basically they're like led like sliding

735
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,799
up and down a rail

736
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,520
and they were seen undocking flying

737
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,760
around and then re-docking into that

738
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,360
ship

739
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,600
i don't think that's ours if we couldn't

740
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,880
build the tic-tac we couldn't build this

741
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:07,840
yeah

742
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,960
it's it's really fascinating thank you

743
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,200
for for going over that i i do want to

744
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,480
say

745
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:18,159
that i have a friend

746
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,520
who

747
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:20,559
um

748
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,679
she was involved in a tv show in regards

749
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,600
to estate sales and it was on you know

750
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,080
hg or i can't remember their channel was

751
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,440
on but for several years and i got a

752
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,960
call from her

753
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,200
one day uh we i we had done a lot of

754
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,279
antique things together and i got a call

755
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,039
from her one day she goes oh my god i

756
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
didn't know you were into ufos i have a

757
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,880
story for you and i've been paying

758
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,880
attention to it ever since this happened

759
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,200
and she said in the late 90s i was in a

760
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,440
hotel room in las vegas

761
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,200
and she said and i saw this huge

762
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,960
triangle

763
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,360
so i never heard anyone else talk about

764
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,600
las vegas until right now

765
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,480
and uh tonight after we do the show i'm

766
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,000
going to get in touch with her and try

767
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,240
to get her to nail down the date of when

768
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,159
when she saw that because she said the

769
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,159
late 90s

770
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,080
very well could be she very well could

771
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,240
be a witness to it the uh the second

772
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,880
object the huge triangle that uh

773
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,279
max harris and his wife saw they were

774
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,640
real estate um developers or sellers in

775
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,480
care for arizona which is kind of like

776
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,799
the beverly hills of phoenix

777
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,399
uh so they were selling million dollar

778
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,120
homes and they saw the triangle go over

779
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,559
and his wife

780
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,720
saw windows going down the side of the

781
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,799
rim and said somebody was looking out

782
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,559
the window at them they were looking

783
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:38,720
down there was people looking out of the

784
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,679
ship or whatever they were

785
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,279
um and this

786
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,520
they said this was chilling just to see

787
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,200
this they said this would they said this

788
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,840
was 2.2 miles long was their estimate

789
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,440
because they said it was the size of the

790
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,159
lot they're selling so they stayed out

791
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:56,000
they saw the nine o'clock event and then

792
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,120
they saw

793
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,840
the 10 p.m lights that i filmed and me

794
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,080
and max became pretty good friends for a

795
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,440
while after that

796
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,840
and he thinks that what i filmed was the

797
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,320
triangle coming back he thinks he said

798
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,480
it looks just like it

799
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:12,000
so so but

800
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,440
who knows who knows

801
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,200
yeah i'd like to i'm going to play this

802
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,720
clip um

803
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,720
right now while we're talking about this

804
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,200
this is kurt kurt russell talking about

805
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,640
they'd be able to help me in this future

806
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
who knows because this is an

807
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,760
international story because of you both

808
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,120
being here i looked into the

809
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,039
international files not covered by our

810
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:30,559
ministry of defense but may be covered

811
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,000
by yours this took place in arizona an

812
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,919
unidentified pilot according to the

813
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:37,919
press cuttings flying near an airport in

814
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,039
arizona with his son when he spotted six

815
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,200
lights in the night sky

816
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,039
so he called from the airplane to air

817
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,200
traffic control to say i'm seeing these

818
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,000
lights here i wasn't expecting any other

819
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,679
planes they're not supposed to be on my

820
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,520
landing path can you tell me what's

821
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:55,760
going on they said there are no other

822
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,120
planes he said i'm seeing six bright

823
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,240
lights coming towards me mystery

824
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,519
unresolved

825
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,559
except

826
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,399
oh tail

827
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,000
number for that plane was bonanza two

828
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,159
tango sierra and i was the pilot

829
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,880
no way

830
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:14,320
oliver and i

831
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,630
i was flying him to go see his

832
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,919
girlfriend

833
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,240
and uh we were on approach

834
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,679
and i

835
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,399
i saw six lights over the airport an

836
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:35,039
absolute uniform in a v shape

837
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,840
and i

838
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,519
and oliver said to me i was just looking

839
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,960
at him and i was coming in we're maybe a

840
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,519
half a mile out and oliver said paw do

841
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,440
you what are those lights and i and i

842
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,120
then it kind of like came out of my

843
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:47,039
reverie and and i said i don't know what

844
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,320
they are i said

845
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,760
he said are we okay here and i said yeah

846
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,120
i'm gonna i'm gonna call him and i

847
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,640
reported it

848
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,679
and they said we're not painting

849
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,039
anything we don't show anything i said

850
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,080
well okay i'm i'm gonna declare it's

851
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,000
unidentified it's flying and it's six

852
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,840
objects

853
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,000
we landed

854
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:06,720
i taxied dropped him off

855
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,080
took off went back to la

856
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,159
never said a word he never said a word i

857
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,840
never thought of it two years later

858
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,559
goldie is watching a television show

859
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:18,559
when i came home

860
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,760
and the show is on ufos but as i'm i

861
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,200
came home hey honey how's it going and

862
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,880
i'm kind of hearing this the tv going

863
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:26,399
like stopped and i started watching and

864
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,519
it was on

865
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,480
that event now that was the most um

866
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,799
that was the most viewed ufo event over

867
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:35,039
20 000 people saw that

868
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,480
and i'm watching this

869
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,320
and i i'm feeling like

870
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,559
uh richard dreyfuss

871
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,750
why do i know this you know what and

872
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,760
it's not clear to me

873
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,200
and

874
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,480
finally i said

875
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,720
then they said the pilot reported it a

876
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,320
general aviation pilot reported on

877
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,519
landing

878
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,440
i'd never thought of it since then and i

879
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,559
said

880
00:33:05,669 --> 00:32:59,600
i

881
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:05,679
logbooks

882
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,760
the flight at that time and i didn't

883
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,279
mention anything about the ufo the

884
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,600
fascinating part of that to me is that

885
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,159
it would just went literally out of my

886
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,679
head yeah and oliver never mentioned it

887
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,120
and had i not seen that show i'd have

888
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,480
never thought of it again

889
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:24,720
that to me was the weird part

890
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,669
it's just unidentified it's flying and

891
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,600
it's and it's an object it's an object

892
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:34,960
yeah all right moving towards you at

893
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:38,399
this we need to move on

894
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,440
now i just

895
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,559
i thought that was a great clip i

896
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,399
happened to find that no you just love

897
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,679
that guy

898
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:45,360
oh i love kurt russell

899
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,470
well you know what here he is he's

900
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,080
saying something that i've heard time

901
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,279
and time over and that is he would have

902
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,200
never thought about it again if he

903
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,640
didn't hear that

904
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,240
uh if he didn't if goldie wasn't

905
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,559
watching he happened to come in and

906
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:06,320
happen to catch it and all of a sudden

907
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,279
bam

908
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,079
uh so many people have said that they

909
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:12,000
completely forgot about

910
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,320
a ufo uh i find it so bizarre and almost

911
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,879
unbelievable that someone could forget

912
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:20,800
about an event like that he was flying a

913
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,839
plane well martin we're just small fish

914
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,839
out here in this pond this is kirk

915
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,079
freaking russell he escaped from new

916
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,960
york he's a legend so for stuff like for

917
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,800
something like oh yeah alien crap big

918
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:35,200
yeah i gotta shoot a movie tomorrow a

919
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,639
tango and cash or something yeah i

920
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,359
suppose i suppose yes he's got so much

921
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,919
going on i it's probably just a small

922
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,599
blip on his radar

923
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:45,760
we i've been you know behind the scenes

924
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,879
working with some tv shows um that want

925
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,119
to talk about this and i try to steer

926
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,079
them to all the good people like kirk we

927
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,919
need to find out were you landing in

928
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,040
prescott

929
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,960
or was it phoenix

930
00:35:01,829 --> 00:35:00,240
because if you were the guy from

931
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,839
prescott then you were the guy who

932
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,800
triggered

933
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,200
um the intercept of of when they

934
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,920
launched the f-15s at it and

935
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,680
i know you've talked about that before

936
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,599
where um they basically

937
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,320
they did a loop they flew out um it

938
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,680
takes two minutes to fly from um luke

939
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,920
air force base to where they intercepted

940
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:22,079
it with your afterburners on

941
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,119
uh

942
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,560
so they also had floor pods on both of

943
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,079
these craft

944
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,040
where's that footage uh

945
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,280
so they'd have you know basically

946
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,960
the same thing that we get with like the

947
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,119
nimitz case we get some videos of this

948
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,560
um they also shot um

949
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,920
they also

950
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,000
shot their radar at it and it jammed the

951
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,440
radar they said they were getting white

952
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,280
noise back so this is also like the

953
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,560
nimitz where if you try to direct your

954
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,800
sensors on this it just scrambles you

955
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,400
and gives you crap back you're not going

956
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,480
to get anything off that there was

957
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,960
apache helicopters that were up

958
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,520
that night um and they did see what i

959
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,400
filmed on um their uh fleur

960
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,240
pods they admitted that

961
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,960
uh unfortunately nobody got any of that

962
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,359
stuff we we did a bunch of foias back

963
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:13,280
then to try and get as much data as we

964
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,040
could my wife was for foia in um the

965
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,000
tower radar communications and the tapes

966
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,680
uh we got a letter back that they were

967
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,160
recycled because the government can only

968
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,880
store their records for three weeks

969
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,400
but they will store

970
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,440
your entire digital life

971
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,760
in that place in utah in the nsa they'll

972
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,000
store all your conversations all your

973
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,839
photos everything that they suck off

974
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,320
like snowden told us they're recording

975
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,880
everything you know in real time through

976
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,079
these fiber

977
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,160
areas uh cables

978
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,839
but they don't have enough paperwork to

979
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,520
store any of these tapes i find that

980
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,960
really strange we did get a foia um

981
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,880
back and this was from the air force it

982
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,280
was filed by bill hamilton um this is

983
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,119
gonna put that up against uh put that

984
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,440
toward the camera a little better

985
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,160
yeah can't yeah and so basically let us

986
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,000
know what the gist is of that

987
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,640
uh basically he wanted to know

988
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,720
i said this is uh your response to

989
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,320
undated freedom of information act for

990
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,200
copies of the tower log the approach log

991
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:17,599
control departure log control and any

992
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:20,560
flights that logged by base operations

993
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,920
on march 13th from 7 p.m to 11 p.m the

994
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,000
copy is attached here

995
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:28,640
and then what it does is we get some

996
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,810
breakfast

997
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,680
[Music]

998
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,680
which i don't know it's i don't know how

999
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,280
to read that really it's you got to be

1000
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,680
like military military coder and then we

1001
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,040
have signatures

1002
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:41,440
of all the pilots that landed that davis

1003
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,550
um somebody in the chat mentioned

1004
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:48,960
mentioned something about um

1005
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,589
see it right on the screen is that what

1006
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,800
you mean yeah

1007
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:57,040
yeah

1008
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,200
they're similar um

1009
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,960
like these big sightings the the air

1010
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,200
force goes out they shoot their sensors

1011
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,839
on them the ufo jams them the ufo turns

1012
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,079
out their lights uh they they kick their

1013
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:12,079
ass in the military leaves

1014
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,359
uh

1015
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,680
what what i find interesting is you know

1016
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,520
when you hear commander fraver talk

1017
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,520
about you know he went to

1018
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,760
mano domano fight one of these things in

1019
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,240
a fire flight

1020
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,480
who are these pilots in phoenix that

1021
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,440
turned around and landed i mean

1022
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,200
they flew out

1023
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,119
and the lights all went off at the same

1024
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,119
time on this boomerang

1025
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,280
they said that's it turn around head to

1026
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,079
base but was it their orders i mean are

1027
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,599
these people i don't think

1028
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,839
commander fravor would turn around and

1029
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,000
land at luke air force base he would

1030
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,440
stay on that

1031
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,680
and then probably say hey we got apaches

1032
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,000
in the sky do you guys see this

1033
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,320
what's going on who else do we got what

1034
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,160
what activities they got to be able to

1035
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,560
communicate instantly from luke down to

1036
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,880
davis mauthan of who's in the sky

1037
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,680
because they fly black down there if you

1038
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,839
go down and watch the military operating

1039
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,599
areas like i have they turn all their

1040
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,800
lights off

1041
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,200
on the the all the fa light they fly

1042
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,280
black they start dropping bombs and

1043
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,000
shooting missiles out is nuts

1044
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,599
watching that stuff and you don't know

1045
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,040
if you're watching the military or

1046
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,520
you're watching uap down there

1047
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,119
wow amazing now

1048
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,800
uh

1049
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,960
i always wondered about that that one

1050
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,119
you know this was just a rumor just

1051
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,800
hearsay i should say

1052
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,480
was that there was one that was there

1053
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:34,320
was a pilot that was so shaken that he

1054
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,520
had to have

1055
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,119
uh tranquilizers or had to be

1056
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:39,440
hospitalized or something like that uh

1057
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,560
what did what did you exactly have you

1058
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,240
been able to

1059
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,960
find out about that or is it just not

1060
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,359
nobody can find out much about all that

1061
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,359
a lot of that comes from peter davenport

1062
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,359
because he had phone conversations but

1063
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,800
from my memory

1064
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,599
um the guy wouldn't get out of the

1065
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,520
the the jets landed

1066
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:03,040
and one of the guys said it wasn't ours

1067
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,800
and maybe that's why they turned around

1068
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,560
they got scared i mean

1069
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,319
i'd be scared flying

1070
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,400
after one of those if it's superior

1071
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,040
to you and especially if it's the size

1072
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,359
the size of it you know the the the tic

1073
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,359
tac you were talking about fravor before

1074
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,119
is probably about 40 feet they're

1075
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:21,359
judging and this thing you know like you

1076
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,160
said

1077
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,599
some people are saying up to a mile and

1078
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,280
a half wide some people saying the size

1079
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,680
of a you know a grocery a big grocery

1080
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:29,280
store or whatever safeway whatever you

1081
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:32,960
said uh but anyway uh it was huge

1082
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,560
and it was uh unknown 1997 we certainly

1083
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,560
didn't have something like that flying

1084
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,400
around in the sky not even in a

1085
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,119
generation above what we know as far as

1086
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,599
you know black projects go there was no

1087
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:47,599
way that would we would know about it

1088
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,480
long ago if that was something that we

1089
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,720
developed or someone else did

1090
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,280
that's an excellent point because

1091
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,240
if this was one of ours why was that guy

1092
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,560
scared why wasn't he flying you know

1093
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,200
exactly i mean see this brings up

1094
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:05,839
the myth of that we have two air forces

1095
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,200
and two nasa's like fraver was in those

1096
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,000
f-18s and they were brands fake and new

1097
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,200
had the new f-18s paint smell on them

1098
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,520
and they're breaking the engines in

1099
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,359
getting these things broken that's the

1100
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,240
best he's the best but if there's a tic

1101
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,640
tac out there and that's us

1102
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,560
then that's better than his

1103
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,119
so that means he has the fake best

1104
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,599
and there's really a better flavor and a

1105
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,440
better ship out there and that's just

1106
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,440
for shell and nasa

1107
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,920
have sends these rockets up that it puts

1108
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,640
so much co2 in the atmosphere and they

1109
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,880
land throw them away in the ocean and

1110
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,720
that's their best no that's their fake

1111
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,280
best and then they have this ufo flea i

1112
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,520
don't buy it this stuff's from somewhere

1113
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,240
else made by somebody else not us

1114
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:54,319
yeah but yeah they were saying what i

1115
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,359
heard is

1116
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,359
uh they had to pull him out of the

1117
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,200
cockpit he was just frozen in there he

1118
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,520
must have just saw his life flash before

1119
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,040
his eyes so

1120
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,599
it would be kirk russell triggered

1121
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,280
the event that happened with them

1122
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,359
intercepting it and then we heard the

1123
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,440
the base got locked down they turned the

1124
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,560
lights off

1125
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,319
and then what they went up because

1126
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:15,839
they're right the luke air force base is

1127
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,560
right next to adjacent to uh white tank

1128
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,319
mountains so did they send a crew up

1129
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,880
there to go get some downed ufo or

1130
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,119
did that even happen did the ufos come

1131
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:27,680
in and get their ship back

1132
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,720
i mean no way the military is going to

1133
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,119
take experimental stuff like this and

1134
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,040
then parade it down some big city of

1135
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,760
roll the dice and classified ship now

1136
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,640
becomes unclassified based on joe

1137
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,720
six-pack filming it

1138
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,440
yeah like the nimitz no good case would

1139
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,839
be good without the men in black

1140
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,160
so we we had a guy

1141
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,319
who called village labs it says i have

1142
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,240
video of the ship and you can see it's

1143
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,400
one big ship and you can see the city

1144
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,720
lights reflecting off the belly his name

1145
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,800
was richard curtis

1146
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,760
all right he called francis emma barwood

1147
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:05,920
so she says sure i'd like to see the

1148
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,200
tape somebody knocks on his door

1149
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:11,440
some guys in some suits

1150
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,160
you here for the tape

1151
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,520
here

1152
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,119
gives them the tape i think it was super

1153
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,400
vhs

1154
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,400
didn't make a copy

1155
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,440
gone

1156
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,079
god well how do these people know i mean

1157
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,160
if these people are the fbi how come

1158
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,240
there's two people dressed up at the

1159
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,119
ready to go at any moment anywhere like

1160
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,800
the nimitz is the weird one how the hell

1161
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,280
do you get out on that ship

1162
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,960
i mean it i could see somebody flying

1163
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,319
into phoenix they're calling the fbi and

1164
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,599
feeds they go this house and get this

1165
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,480
tape

1166
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,760
how you get those people in like the

1167
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,960
nimitz

1168
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,640
whenever there's really really good

1169
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,280
information this other phenomenon the

1170
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,119
men and blacks show up

1171
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,359
yeah i don't know who that was that was

1172
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,079
on the nimitz but i know that they took

1173
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,359
it was either the nimitz or the

1174
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,480
princeton

1175
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,000
they took the data bricks what you're

1176
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,760
talking about right yeah

1177
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:00,720
yeah

1178
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,240
showed up and so did they think did he

1179
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,400
think that francis barwood

1180
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,760
sent

1181
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,280
those people over to pick that up is

1182
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,440
that what is that what yeah that's well

1183
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:15,920
it's pretty obvious that the fbi or

1184
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,200
somebody was had her phone bugged

1185
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,119
they were watching she was a dangerous

1186
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,680
politician because she just simply said

1187
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,880
what is it

1188
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,280
everybody else is like hey that's taboo

1189
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,800
oh don't ask that you'll ruin your

1190
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,839
career

1191
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,920
uh don't even harry reid he had his

1192
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,359
people saying man don't go down his

1193
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,359
rabbit hole harry and he went down that

1194
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,640
rabbit hole anyway for all of us

1195
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,480
um so yeah then then we heard what

1196
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,280
happened is everybody got separated so

1197
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,599
those pilots we heard one of them got

1198
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,000
reassigned to iceland and another guy

1199
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,920
got reassigned to another military base

1200
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,839
somewhere else in the world so they

1201
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,440
wouldn't be able to sit down and have

1202
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:54,960
lunch and say what the hell happened

1203
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,030
so

1204
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,359
yeah 25 years later

1205
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,119
where are these people

1206
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,599
i mean they got to be retired by now why

1207
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,839
aren't you talking i mean

1208
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,560
everybody everybody watching wants to

1209
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,359
hear what these pilots that or anybody

1210
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,880
that was stationed at luke had to say

1211
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,720
about that night where's the apache

1212
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:18,640
helicopter guys where's the guys who

1213
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:22,240
dropped the flares or the 10 pm uh any

1214
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,200
of them

1215
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,440
nobody is coming forward and that's

1216
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,520
that's really weird too

1217
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,400
and it's this conspiracy of silence it

1218
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:32,880
just needs to end we we want to know

1219
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,319
what's going on and it wasn't a one-off

1220
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,880
that ship is still flying around it was

1221
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,680
seen

1222
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,560
one week ago in ireland

1223
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,560
yeah let's talk about that what is

1224
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,800
uh we we're a little bit off

1225
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,720
off air when you were talking about that

1226
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,680
but by the way i i think i had francis

1227
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,520
on for a very short while she's very

1228
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,480
nice

1229
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,640
um oh yeah she's she's a very

1230
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,359
intelligent lady very nice yeah yeah so

1231
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,319
what what what what happened in ireland

1232
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,960
well it sounds like something like what

1233
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,800
happened here um

1234
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,119
five lights fly over it's it's lower

1235
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,000
than commercial air traffic it's huge

1236
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,400
uh makes no sound

1237
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,640
uh they don't know what it is

1238
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,960
nobody gets any video i mean whether

1239
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,319
this is the cell phone engine they

1240
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,599
didn't get one

1241
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,440
even a selfie

1242
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,680
these people disappoint me i'm just used

1243
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,160
to taping stuff that's it's like weird

1244
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,000
not to like why aren't you getting the

1245
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,680
camera for me it's just second nature

1246
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,599
just to record what's what's going on in

1247
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,960
front yeah but

1248
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,800
you know i want you to continue talking

1249
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,640
but i just i don't mean to interrupt you

1250
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,520
but

1251
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,200
i totally get that someone doesn't

1252
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,440
pick up their camera because

1253
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,359
if i had a camera next to me when i had

1254
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,880
a ufo sighting i would have never i

1255
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,000
would now

1256
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,319
i think of it now but at the time my

1257
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,319
very first time i saw something there's

1258
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,880
no way i'd think to pick up my camera

1259
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,880
i was i was in the moment i was saying

1260
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,440
what the heck am i seeing but um anyway

1261
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,680
continue a lot of witnesses

1262
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,480
the same same deal it's either i watch

1263
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,280
this

1264
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,000
or i go fumble around in some closet dig

1265
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,319
out the kids home video i mean people

1266
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,839
have cameras usually because they'd have

1267
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,359
a baby and they tape them when they're

1268
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,440
babies and then they stop after a couple

1269
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,280
years and put them somewhere else uh

1270
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,280
yeah like mike forten the witness uh

1271
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,839
lived in chandler he he saw this object

1272
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,240
at uh 8 30. i worked with him i became

1273
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:27,680
good friends with him

1274
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,480
i worked with him over time to do a

1275
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:32,160
computer simulation

1276
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,240
uh in maya 4 of what he saw and he said

1277
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,040
arms wide like this he said it was like

1278
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,400
a train

1279
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,480
slowly moving and he said it had a

1280
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,880
trailing light behind it

1281
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,200
now that trailing light

1282
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,520
is the one that kind of freaks me out

1283
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,480
uh that trailing light is a thing the

1284
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,440
the four lights and one off to the side

1285
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,319
is a ufo formation it's a thing if you

1286
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,640
study black triangles and stuff you'll

1287
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,720
pick up on that why is this one over

1288
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,720
here like it's just sitting behind

1289
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,200
watchy i don't know but on my video that

1290
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,160
i shot at 10 it starts with this double

1291
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,760
light over on the side

1292
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,680
and then these lights just kind of fill

1293
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,400
in into this arc that was straight but

1294
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,559
this double light on the side

1295
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:20,880
that's the one that gets me i mean

1296
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,680
i would go all in that i shot flares at

1297
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,240
that double again how did they know

1298
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,319
to get that double because

1299
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,319
that there was a trailing object that

1300
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,000
was going behind the 830 event and it

1301
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,839
was undocking and sometimes it would

1302
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:37,760
join the group sometimes to go back how

1303
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:41,040
the hell did the flare thing or whatever

1304
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,750
i kind of go back and forth on my video

1305
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,800
about 95 percent sure it was most likely

1306
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,280
flares at 10 um that this was just a

1307
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,680
military exercise going on

1308
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,000
um but then more evidence comes out

1309
00:49:04,309 --> 00:48:59,440
there's um

1310
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,319
a lady named shannar c uh she shot what

1311
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,040
looks just like my video

1312
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,280
and i think 2019

1313
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,680
and it's coming right at it

1314
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,720
and it's like a 12 minute maybe 15

1315
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,400
minute long video

1316
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,240
and it looks just like with mine with

1317
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,400
four of them and one off to the side and

1318
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,880
then they line up eventually and then

1319
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,800
they start doing this creepy light

1320
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,440
flickering and they go over the town

1321
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:29,440
like i was telling you off earlier

1322
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,400
martin

1323
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,480
these things are so low that if they tip

1324
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,280
the wing hits the damn ground

1325
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,960
and that video freaked me out when i saw

1326
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,240
it go

1327
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,319
maybe i didn't shoot flares damn i could

1328
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,520
never decide on this it's it's hard

1329
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,000
uh so that boomerang does fly around to

1330
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,400
other cities and it has this magical

1331
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,599
ability to memorize or mesmerize people

1332
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,520
so they freeze and they don't do

1333
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,359
anything it's like oh my god this is

1334
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
i've been waiting for this my whole life

1335
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,599
and even today with cell phones they

1336
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,760
don't do much

1337
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,760
they don't record it i mean there are

1338
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,079
videos of this phenomena uh i own the

1339
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,559
website ufo video dot com

1340
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,640
and i don't post there very often i only

1341
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,720
post stuff that looks

1342
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,160
pretty good

1343
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,319
uh that has you know somebody some

1344
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,079
original audio somebody to put their

1345
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,640
face and name behind it most of the time

1346
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,160
um and i've been tracking these black

1347
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,160
triangles and they're huge

1348
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:26,800
and they are recorded but

1349
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,000
still you can't see one big outline of

1350
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,680
the ship

1351
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,760
because it's night time i mean you

1352
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,960
you're gonna need

1353
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,480
uh thermo

1354
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,960
or military grade night vision you know

1355
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,200
night shot on the camera doesn't cut it

1356
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,800
if you want to see the outline of that

1357
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,160
big thing

1358
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,520
it's there for the taking if you're

1359
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:47,040
lucky enough to ever see one of those

1360
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,240
but you're going to have to have the

1361
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,079
gear you're going to have to just have

1362
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,400
that muscle memory to record right now

1363
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,800
don't even think about it right i want

1364
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,920
to show this video that i took last week

1365
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:59,520
i was out of town

1366
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,559
and i saw what i thought

1367
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,359
incredibly was a ufo and i'm just going

1368
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,800
to play it right now

1369
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,119
and um you'll see this is the city of

1370
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,400
miami and you'll see that see the object

1371
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,640
about the center of the screen

1372
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,520
and uh so and then all of a sudden it

1373
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,559
here it it disappears

1374
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,040
and i'm looking at i can't believe

1375
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,640
i just got here

1376
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,200
and here it appears again and then for a

1377
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,520
minute there you can see two

1378
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:31,920
so i'm all excited thinking this is

1379
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,319
crazy i just got here and i'm seeing

1380
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,880
seeing this crazy ufo

1381
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,960
and then um so

1382
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:43,520
caution to all people out there always

1383
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,200
check something and thoroughly so i i

1384
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,599
look i have one of those the big iphones

1385
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,839
or the max or whatever they're called so

1386
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,800
i expanded the little dot in the middle

1387
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,960
as far as i could and you know what

1388
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,440
it was a banner for an airplane being

1389
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,160
pulled by an airplane and when it turned

1390
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,520
when it was doing a loop and turned

1391
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,680
sideways when it disappeared it must

1392
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,599
have been at an angle

1393
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,599
away from me and then it came back and

1394
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,040
when i saw two with what i thought was

1395
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:14,079
two ufos one of them was the plane

1396
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:15,520
so

1397
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,040
that video

1398
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,720
to someone and

1399
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,160
convince them

1400
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:24,880
that it was ufo if you wanted to do that

1401
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:27,520
because it sure had me going for a while

1402
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:30,400
and uh um you know i really have to you

1403
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,240
know i really uh base my credibility uh

1404
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,440
is very i want it to stay very high so i

1405
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:39,440
don't want to ever show a video

1406
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:40,319
that i

1407
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,480
something you know that can't be

1408
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,880
explained and i'm i'd like to explain

1409
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,640
them actually

1410
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,640
let me ask you this i know you filmed a

1411
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,839
lot

1412
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,000
um what percentage would you say you've

1413
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:58,829
a good deal

1414
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,760
um maybe half

1415
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,839
yeah i mean some things you never know

1416
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,359
what's amazing i've been doing this so

1417
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,079
long that technology eventually gets

1418
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,079
invented and later you can go back and

1419
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:12,160
figure out something from years ago i

1420
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,040
mean

1421
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,119
back in the day when i started there was

1422
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,760
no adobe after effects uh

1423
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:19,920
there was no taking the camera shake out

1424
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,520
of handheld stuff and stabilizing yeah i

1425
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,760
mean that's like magic today and you can

1426
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,359
use that to find

1427
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:29,520
hidden things in videos like how does it

1428
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,960
fly or does it actually drop now you can

1429
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,839
try

1430
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,079
old videos with after effects if there's

1431
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,319
good enough data to stabilize

1432
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,240
so sometimes and then sometimes you need

1433
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,960
more experience like you i i filmed

1434
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,000
something

1435
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,440
in 95 that was a green triangle and it

1436
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,079
was a chartouse triangle it had three

1437
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,559
balls and filmed it for 20 minutes

1438
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,640
i know what the hell that was it wasn't

1439
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,880
until maybe five ten years later with

1440
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,440
more experience that i figured out okay

1441
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,359
i know what this was this was some

1442
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,599
balloons attached together that kept

1443
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:05,040
trying to break away and the strings

1444
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,240
were pulling them back and it was

1445
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,559
undulating so i figured out that the

1446
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,280
undulation movement of this object is a

1447
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,119
characteristic of a bunch of balloons

1448
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,040
trying to come apart and be pulled back

1449
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,000
together so then that flight path was

1450
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:20,720
that characteristic now you can use to

1451
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,920
examine other videos does it do that if

1452
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,800
it does likely blows i get more

1453
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,040
skeptical as i go on

1454
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,280
um we're all looking for that five

1455
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:34,160
percent you know 95 of this stuff is

1456
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,359
just

1457
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,520
whatever it should be there it should be

1458
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,839
like in the sky or balloons or grocery

1459
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,079
bags debris i heard

1460
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,160
yeah i heard you talk about grocery bags

1461
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,680
there seems to be a lot of them floating

1462
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,079
around unfortunately the plastic bags um

1463
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,839
here's here's a a speculative question

1464
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,680
if the ship was seen in las vegas going

1465
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,920
back to that is it possible it came from

1466
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,480
area 51. you know to that i would

1467
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,880
personally say you know anything is

1468
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,200
possible but how would we ever know at

1469
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:05,040
this point yeah how would you rule that

1470
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,480
in or out

1471
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:07,520
um

1472
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,480
just

1473
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,839
doesn't really mean it comes from there

1474
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,599
i mean if you look at google maps at

1475
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,839
that big hanger the biggest hangar they

1476
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,599
have there this thing wouldn't fit in

1477
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,480
there

1478
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,480
it wouldn't fit inside yeah and neither

1479
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,200
would that two mile um that two mile

1480
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,119
long triangle where's that fit where's

1481
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,480
that sword

1482
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,079
yeah i've always wondered about that you

1483
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,319
know that's a very good that's a very

1484
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,599
good argument

1485
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,440
to say how did they have this type of

1486
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,960
anti-gravity

1487
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,799
whatever it is because it's it's going

1488
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,520
so slow how did they possibly have that

1489
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:42,000
for so long hidden away and then again

1490
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,359
just what you're saying i've said many

1491
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,760
times how could they have these huge

1492
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,400
huge crafts under a hanger that a hanger

1493
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,359
doesn't exist wide enough um that they

1494
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,160
could possibly build even um without

1495
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,760
supports in the center

1496
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,960
for and there's

1497
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,720
there's the whole infrastructure to

1498
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,040
support that too you have to have an

1499
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,440
assembly line like north rope or one of

1500
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,599
the military industrial complex people

1501
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,599
they'd have to have a hanger big enough

1502
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,960
to complete

1503
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,280
the ship let's say it's just 700 feet

1504
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,280
not a mile that's still damn big and

1505
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,040
then you have to have support you have

1506
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,280
to have all the crew i mean look at like

1507
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:19,839
when an f-18 lands how many people have

1508
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:22,960
to now go do maintenance on that thing

1509
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,839
that's huge and and then that's a lot of

1510
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,400
money and a lot of people and for like

1511
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,000
you have the b-2 bomber that's

1512
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:32,880
comparable but a smaller version of this

1513
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,599
it costs two billion dollars each

1514
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,839
so if this thing is bigger

1515
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,760
what does this cost half a trillion

1516
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,240
dollars to make something like this

1517
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,760
i mean i could see we'd be in a war

1518
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,480
saying we can't win this war because the

1519
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,559
government spent all the money on these

1520
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,720
huge ships we never use

1521
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,880
we got to stick with that fake military

1522
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,599
and the f-18s the good stuff's hidden in

1523
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,640
the back

1524
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,160
that's right

1525
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,079
yeah here's a here's something i think

1526
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,319
you already addressed um this is by

1527
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,839
stephen

1528
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,599
how can you not see the flares were

1529
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,920
deliberate meant to confuse the issue

1530
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,839
didn't you say that you

1531
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,599
researched it and you found out that

1532
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,839
they were already scheduled ahead of

1533
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,680
time well this was going on for three

1534
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,119
months martin

1535
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,799
uh night after see there were three

1536
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:20,880
different people recording this there

1537
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,079
was steve blonder terry proctor up

1538
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,720
in carefree and then we had dr lincoln

1539
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,319
they were recording

1540
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,680
they were lookings out towards the

1541
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,359
gunnery range and they were recording

1542
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,960
flares every night

1543
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,400
from monday through thursday because

1544
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,640
military doesn't work friday or weekends

1545
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,280
not here and they were launching them

1546
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,200
between eight and ten so all you had to

1547
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,119
do was get in your car and go down to

1548
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,119
casa grande set up a tripod you could

1549
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,000
record it's usually one or two flares

1550
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:50,079
they don't like the sky up the way they

1551
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,880
did

1552
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:52,960
on march 13th you don't see anything

1553
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,839
like that you will see a couple but they

1554
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,400
ended operation snowbird in 2019 an

1555
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,440
operation snowbird was basically other

1556
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,760
states that have snow

1557
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,440
their their pilots get to come to

1558
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,040
arizona where we don't have snow and

1559
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,200
train so that they're doing basically

1560
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,280
sort of work ups out in our desert

1561
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,040
practicing then they go back to their

1562
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,640
states and they're you know certified or

1563
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,280
whatever that they can run this

1564
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,280
uh somebody brought up in the chat uh

1565
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,200
the governor we need to talk about this

1566
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,839
guy a fife symington

1567
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,599
this guy bombed up

1568
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,640
uh

1569
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,400
when he was our governor

1570
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,079
uh he

1571
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,200
was an embarrassment to the state um

1572
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,200
as as long as i lived here most of our

1573
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,680
governors leave office um because

1574
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:39,040
they're kicked out

1575
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,720
we have just corrupt governor there was

1576
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,240
a corrupt one before him and a corrupt

1577
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,559
one before that guy they usually don't

1578
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,720
you know finish office

1579
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,480
without you know some corruption charges

1580
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,319
or something i wonder why that is now i

1581
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,319
did hear about the charge i can't

1582
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,920
remember what it was about but there was

1583
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:55,040
some type of

1584
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,520
it or what what was it he was involved

1585
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,240
with a bunch of banking and loan stuff

1586
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,520
um so it was like white-collar crime

1587
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,240
um and he was i think he

1588
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,400
got convicted of several felonies it's

1589
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:11,680
on his wiki

1590
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,640
um and he later you know got him erased

1591
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,359
um you know by

1592
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,000
finally more more appeals but he

1593
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,960
basically left office in disgrace and he

1594
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,040
was a disgrace as our governor that's

1595
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:27,040
all that guy was he got on tv with the

1596
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,079
alien mask and and did what he did and

1597
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,480
man there were people mad i i was

1598
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:34,640
yelling at the tv and cussing that he

1599
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,440
was

1600
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,359
like everybody else that seen his press

1601
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,760
conference he had the ability to blow

1602
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,240
this wide open and he blew it

1603
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:45,119
you blew it fife if you're watching this

1604
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,480
yeah uh but then later

1605
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,280
he tries to change his legacy and say no

1606
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:54,079
i saw it i'm also a witness in a park

1607
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,799
some parking yeah yeah so if you ever

1608
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,119
meet eight thirty witnesses they

1609
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,960
wouldn't come out and ridicule their own

1610
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,880
sighting that this changed their life

1611
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,599
they saw this and oh my god i got to see

1612
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:07,359
the hand of god

1613
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,480
something that is very different and

1614
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,760
then they come out say i'm going to take

1615
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,799
a dump on that nobody would do that

1616
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,760
and

1617
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,280
he he says

1618
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,359
he made up this myth that he sought he

1619
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,920
and he he only does big shows uh i also

1620
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,079
tried to get some shows to ask him

1621
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,280
specific questions to to nail down his

1622
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:29,839
story and he won't do hardly any shows

1623
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,880
unless they're real big ones and um

1624
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,040
there's no way he saw the phoenix lights

1625
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,960
okay out of all the people who saw the

1626
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,160
phoenix lights

1627
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,520
this guy

1628
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,599
is the only person who said he saw it on

1629
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,760
tv and then went out looked at it

1630
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,040
only one nobody else saw that well see

1631
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:49,440
that never happened because it was not

1632
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,319
on tv he lied he made that up it wasn't

1633
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,480
on tv until the next day

1634
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:56,799
the first person who even talked about

1635
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,480
this was art bell at midnight march 14th

1636
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:02,319
he got peter davenport on the phone and

1637
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,720
said our phones are burning up

1638
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:07,040
so it was reported the next day i talked

1639
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,400
to the reporters that came along

1640
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,960
collected my footage and

1641
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,839
uh

1642
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,760
it was four o'clock i think on march

1643
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:15,520
14th when they first started this on the

1644
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:16,400
news

1645
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,920
so he says he saw the object at uh 8 30

1646
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:22,400
that he was watching television and they

1647
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,680
were had some hubla about a ufo so he's

1648
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,760
going to go see what it's all about and

1649
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,000
he ditched his uh

1650
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,720
as uh cops that are protected to protect

1651
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,040
the governor somehow he got rid of them

1652
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,280
that's also weird the governors just

1653
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,119
ditched their security detail because

1654
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,400
the boogeyman's in the sky okay so

1655
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,000
here's how we can debunk him the

1656
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,240
timeline is burnt in on this we know it

1657
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,079
went over appalled and we know when it

1658
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:50,640
went over prescott we know they called

1659
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:53,119
luke air force base so in order for him

1660
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,039
to get in his car

1661
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,280
find a park and get out wait

1662
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:00,319
that would have been on tv around 8 20

1663
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,480
and the object flew over at 8 30 to give

1664
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,319
him enough time to drive

1665
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,880
okay so how is the television

1666
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,680
channels gonna report a ufo that's not

1667
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,440
even in town yet

1668
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,839
it's still got the prescott

1669
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:15,119
um

1670
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,559
peter davenport gets his first call from

1671
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,559
dennis the retired guy

1672
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:23,119
and 140 miles north and then the news is

1673
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,920
reporting this instantly ah they don't

1674
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,599
interrupt prime time you're not gonna

1675
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,160
have uh we we're gonna interrupt this

1676
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,160
episode of friends because ladies and

1677
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:33,839
gentlemen there's a ufo heading into

1678
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:36,559
town go out in your f-150 and go find it

1679
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,720
now back to friends that didn't happen

1680
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,200
but that's the myth that fife symington

1681
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:42,880
wants you to believe

1682
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,160
that he's interested him alone seen that

1683
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,160
yeah i know there's a lot of people very

1684
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:51,440
angry at him um you know i mean i think

1685
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:52,559
he was

1686
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,640
was he in james fox video

1687
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,839
uh i think

1688
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,280
it was the guy who interviewed him he

1689
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,880
was interviewed locally here by john

1690
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,119
hook on channel 10. uh he was on the

1691
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,440
showtime uh no i mean

1692
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,200
i'm sorry in the movie the phenomenon

1693
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,799
was he in that

1694
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:11,039
i i can't remember he might i haven't

1695
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,480
seen out of the blue he might have been

1696
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,319
in that one or i know what i saw

1697
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:16,400
i i know he was in one of those but but

1698
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,920
anyway um oh by the way uh james fox is

1699
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,000
where i'm going to be over at his i'm

1700
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:24,880
going to be at his house uh coming up um

1701
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:27,599
in the next month or two

1702
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:29,839
and actually gonna sit down with him at

1703
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,720
his house and and film a show live right

1704
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,680
from his his new um i don't know if he

1705
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,839
can announce where he is now or not but

1706
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:38,880
i'm just going to say i'm going to be

1707
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,440
there live uh coming up that should be

1708
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,599
good uh should be a lot of fun and he's

1709
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,599
he's a was talking to him the other day

1710
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,520
he's pretty funny um

1711
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,599
i want to pose a couple of questions if

1712
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:51,520
i can in chat that came up so this one

1713
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,880
right here

1714
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:54,400
um why

1715
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:56,240
are there trained observers not being

1716
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,119
this is by jay allen are not being asked

1717
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,680
about the phoenix data

1718
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:03,680
does the typical civilian believe that

1719
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:06,319
the flares are visible and stationary

1720
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,799
for over an hour

1721
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:11,039
the flares that they launch um have a

1722
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,440
burn time of about three and a half to

1723
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,960
four and a half minutes so you really

1724
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,880
don't see anything after that

1725
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,160
um

1726
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,000
there were some sightings after this in

1727
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:22,240
1998

1728
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,920
and most of the same people recorded

1729
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,359
those too

1730
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:27,599
and they were all over the south valley

1731
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,359
one of the reasons i think the military

1732
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,599
shuts up about this is because they're

1733
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,280
not launching the flares where they're

1734
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,799
supposed to they're launching them over

1735
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,480
people's houses

1736
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,319
but i don't know what kind of technology

1737
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,640
those a-10s had back then i mean now

1738
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,400
they could maybe have retrofitted with

1739
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,480
gps so they know exactly where they're

1740
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,880
hitting the button but this stuff was

1741
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:48,559
just it was launched over the town of

1742
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,760
maricopa all over the place and

1743
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:54,960
they're up so high that they're able to

1744
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,440
put the flare in the exact same spot so

1745
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,119
that flare can sit there and when it

1746
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,960
burns out another one to reappears and

1747
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:03,200
reignites in the same spot over and over

1748
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,480
and over

1749
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,559
military people i talked to said that

1750
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:09,359
can only be done if you motor them up in

1751
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,480
the sky

1752
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:12,559
you can't really have an aircraft keep

1753
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,520
dropping it not back then and that same

1754
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,640
you know x y and z spot

1755
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:20,880
wow amazing oh by the way

1756
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:21,520
there's

1757
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,480
i guess

1758
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,839
oh are they yeah we're going to be

1759
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:25,920
taking calls in about a half an hour all

1760
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,280
these people that are posting i got a

1761
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,200
video to uh show the people if you want

1762
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,119
to go into that yeah let's do that let's

1763
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,440
share that on that screen and also is

1764
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:35,359
your video that you took that night

1765
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:36,880
available to show

1766
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,440
uh i can get it uh i got a a couple

1767
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,359
boomerang videos here though

1768
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,440
yeah let's do that first so he is

1769
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,200
sharing his screen once that comes up i

1770
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,079
will put it up on on the screen and uh

1771
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,400
for those of you that are listening to

1772
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:53,280
this audio um you may want to pop over

1773
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,240
to the youtube and i'll mark this up i

1774
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,280
don't have the exact time right here for

1775
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,599
some yeah it's uh how far in the video

1776
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,839
but it's about an hour we're about an

1777
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,240
hour and uh five minutes or so into the

1778
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,920
video at this point but i'm gonna add

1779
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,760
this to the stream right now

1780
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:11,920
and uh there you go let me make that a

1781
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,640
full screen all right and go go ahead

1782
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,280
and uh run no oh yeah okay go ahead and

1783
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,440
run that now now this is a boomerang

1784
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:21,680
video shot 1992

1785
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,680
over awatooki arizona in november 27th

1786
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,000
is this something you did no this is a

1787
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,240
video that they came in to village labs

1788
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:32,079
and they said look at this so they're

1789
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,789
and so this is where gym works right

1790
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,559
right

1791
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,559
yeah so what's going on is they're

1792
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,799
filming a boomerang with about 12 lights

1793
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,760
going down it there's a trailing light

1794
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:49,039
behind it

1795
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,280
they travel in twos

1796
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:57,910
there's two planes now

1797
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,400
now you have like the stabilization just

1798
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,559
if we have as many lights okay let's i'm

1799
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,400
going to stay quiet and you can go ahead

1800
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,319
and narrate if you need to this is in

1801
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,520
1992 this was done yeah so this didn't

1802
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,920
trigger a mass sighting but two objects

1803
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:14,720
flew over this big boomerang and a huge

1804
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,880
triangle behind it i hear something now

1805
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,680
and and where was this exactly this was

1806
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,839
shot now with tukey arizona it was shot

1807
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:26,480
in the same town that i filmed my stuff

1808
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,079
so i see we don't know what this is um

1809
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:32,720
it's not a refu fueling operation

1810
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:33,760
it's

1811
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,559
two big v's flying by

1812
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,400
uh

1813
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,799
no idea but if somebody recorded the

1814
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,200
phoenix lights in 97 it would look like

1815
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,670
and they travel in twos and this is one

1816
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,599
of the reasons i think dr michael tanner

1817
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,839
thinks that they docked that they they

1818
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,079
fly close together so one of them

1819
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:56,079
basically springs off the front of the

1820
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:57,119
bigger one

1821
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,880
goes out does whatever it does and then

1822
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,799
it can just re-dock and they join into

1823
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,319
one

1824
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:04,079
you know i'm seeing like a strobe like

1825
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,839
you do see on some planes yeah there is

1826
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,079
a strobe following it but none of these

1827
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,960
are making any sounds

1828
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,000
hmm

1829
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,079
i yeah and

1830
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:16,000
did i hear him say though a minute ago

1831
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:16,960
that he

1832
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:19,520
he heard a sound or not yeah they heard

1833
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,560
a very very faint sound

1834
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,880
of that

1835
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:26,159
i don't know if there's another one you

1836
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,359
you feel like putting up there but

1837
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:29,520
you're welcome to okay let's uh here's

1838
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,870
and feel free to near right narrate

1839
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:36,960
right over them okay this is going to be

1840
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:39,679
a 10 p.m video

1841
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,799
all right

1842
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,199
this was shot in apache junction by

1843
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,679
chuck riordan

1844
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:48,080
uh there's no sound on this

1845
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,199
um

1846
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,120
what's going on is i took out the camera

1847
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:53,600
shake with adobe after effects

1848
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,120
and as the video plays you can see

1849
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,440
the lights slowly go out of alignment

1850
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,960
the the four

1851
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,719
kind of you can see the one on the that

1852
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:04,400
i'm referring to the trailing light is

1853
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,279
the one on the far left that's lower

1854
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,120
so like if these are flares how did the

1855
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,799
military know to put a trailing light

1856
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:13,040
behind a boomerang in the sky

1857
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:14,159
unless

1858
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,640
they were a lot smarter and they were

1859
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:18,480
already being on the lookout for this

1860
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,269
so that was oh that's that right there

1861
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:27,199
is uh

1862
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,880
is the date of the phoenix so this is

1863
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,719
the date of the phoenix lights okay yeah

1864
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:32,799
this is one of the five videos

1865
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,590
and so we don't know for sure

1866
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,080
uh because i i remember talking to my

1867
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:44,400
friend alejandro rojas

1868
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,440
him saying that there's probably only

1869
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,719
one

1870
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,120
real video of the the what people were

1871
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,199
seeing and the rest of them were flares

1872
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:55,920
uh that was his his thought

1873
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:58,640
uh he's pretty much on there uh there

1874
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,280
are five videos well there's four

1875
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:03,920
confirmed videos from 10 and then nobody

1876
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,840
really knows what the doctor has because

1877
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,760
she won't share her stuff

1878
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:09,040
um

1879
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,320
doctor lynn

1880
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,400
yeah i've never

1881
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,640
nobody has any like we don't have a

1882
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,400
complete copy of her video

1883
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,239
like with the whole audio and everything

1884
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:21,120
all she did was release like 10 seconds

1885
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:22,880
of something

1886
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,920
but we don't know when it was shot or

1887
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,920
or or what um

1888
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,440
and then there's another video i could

1889
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,679
show you that um that's of the actual

1890
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,440
march 13th boomerang that was flying

1891
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,679
into town but it might be hard to see

1892
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,360
but let me queue that up

1893
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,520
yeah yeah go ahead and do that that's

1894
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:41,360
is this the one that you filmed actually

1895
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,800
or

1896
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:44,560
no i'm going to get that one here

1897
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:45,360
yeah

1898
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,640
so eventually

1899
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,040
so i'm having fun

1900
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,040
i hope the audience is and i will get to

1901
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,199
your questions and we will again we're

1902
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,719
going to be taking calls in about 20

1903
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:56,840
minutes or

1904
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,840
so so uh

1905
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,080
there are some there are some questions

1906
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,280
in chat i will try to get to if i can

1907
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,120
and i do appreciate the people out there

1908
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,280
putting them in caps so i actually can

1909
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:11,600
see them otherwise uh it's hard to field

1910
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,800
them

1911
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:15,040
okay here's the actual march 13th

1912
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,880
boomerang that flew over the terry

1913
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,320
proctor video

1914
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:20,560
okay and can you make expand that please

1915
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:24,400
there you go well there you go okay

1916
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,239
so i can

1917
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,239
yeah you could see five fade lights this

1918
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,159
will probably cycle through a filter or

1919
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:31,840
two

1920
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,000
yeah yeah i can definitely see it in the

1921
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,320
formation again if you're listening to

1922
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,679
this audio

1923
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,360
and you want to check this out you want

1924
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:41,440
to go to our youtube

1925
01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:44,080
video which is always in the show notes

1926
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,920
on

1927
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,480
podcastufo.com

1928
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:49,760
and this is about an hour and 10 minutes

1929
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,280
into the audio where we are

1930
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:54,800
where you want to go on the youtube

1931
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,000
channel maybe i'll put some time stamps

1932
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,679
yeah what is this right here is this

1933
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,400
this is the same video but it's um it's

1934
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,560
been filtered by richard mossler to kind

1935
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,560
of bring the lights out you can kind of

1936
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,280
see that one light on the top

1937
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,920
um is kind of trailing back from the

1938
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,400
main group

1939
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,239
so a lot of people said that the first

1940
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,000
three lights were tight

1941
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,800
and the other two lights were back aways

1942
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,320
so they weren't really proportionately

1943
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,120
spaced that the first three lights were

1944
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,520
up closer but they moved around and they

1945
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,440
docked i mean i don't believe these are

1946
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,360
actual lights i think these lights are

1947
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,520
actual just craft that are just embedded

1948
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,600
in the side of the ship

1949
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,679
kind of like how um

1950
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:39,199
kind of like how a battleship's going to

1951
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,960
have remote control helicopters and

1952
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,480
planes and other things that take off

1953
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,760
from it

1954
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:45,600
if that makes sense

1955
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:47,600
yeah well nothing makes any sense when

1956
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,840
it comes to this

1957
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:51,199
so that's what i like about it it's all

1958
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,800
a mystery uh

1959
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,080
i'm gonna

1960
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,719
show you another screen here if people

1961
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:58,719
want to look stuff up

1962
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,560
uh we can link them to this i have 104

1963
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:05,280
videos on here yeah we have that linked

1964
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,679
right in the show notes okay so

1965
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,280
this is the actual

1966
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,320
research

1967
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,080
of different videos some of them are

1968
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,800
hours long and a lot of them are rare

1969
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,159
because they're out of my collection and

1970
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,159
i'm the only one who has them but you

1971
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,080
could spend three weeks

1972
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,719
going through this stuff

1973
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,159
i mean this is

1974
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:25,920
ever i mean yeah

1975
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,360
this is what showtime used for part one

1976
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,120
of their show that just came out last

1977
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,960
summer

1978
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,600
is that right so they they you gave them

1979
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,199
license or whatever it is i didn't give

1980
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:39,280
them anything they just came in and took

1981
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:42,159
it was it was a jj abraham smash and

1982
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,520
grab

1983
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:45,679
oh yes i remember when that came out

1984
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,440
okay so this is the actual video i shot

1985
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,199
okay this is what you shot of the

1986
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:53,040
phoenix lights

1987
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:54,080
let me see

1988
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,600
well that's an orb right there what

1989
01:14:02,950 --> 01:13:56,880
we're seeing

1990
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,870
yeah if these are flares why is there a

1991
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,960
trailer so yellow

1992
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,480
there's the two of them oh this is the

1993
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,760
location

1994
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:11,440
this is steve right here

1995
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:32,950
so this is march 13th 1997.

1996
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,070
this is

1997
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,000
slightly different there's another one

1998
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:38,080
oh look one two three

1999
01:14:49,570 --> 01:14:39,440
wait where

2000
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:55,110
[Applause]

2001
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,590
i got the third one popping that girl is

2002
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,600
really excited

2003
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,360
i got four of them

2004
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,440
major sighting here

2005
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,600
how are you remember that

2006
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,360
another one just showed up

2007
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,520
whoa maybe somebody's setting up lights

2008
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:10,960
when i saw this

2009
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,679
we had something here

2010
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:15,600
it was just amazing to watch

2011
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,030
no

2012
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:24,960
that's weird they're lined up in in a

2013
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,320
pattern man there's geometry behind this

2014
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,600
i can't even get them

2015
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,920
i've never seen it look at that man this

2016
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,640
is

2017
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,480
just let's see oh there's three of them

2018
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:36,800
all lined up

2019
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,030
what does it look like bill

2020
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:54,719
if you wanted to come you can't look i

2021
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,199
saw the triangle max harrison said this

2022
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,840
he thinks this was the same thing to

2023
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,199
pick triangle

2024
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,199
before yeah that's the spheres now

2025
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,600
anybody watching this complete

2026
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:07,360
yeah they just transformed into circles

2027
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:10,000
right now right as you were talking

2028
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:11,520
now they're tr they're now they're not

2029
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,110
hey steven greer missed out didn't he

2030
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,960
bill

2031
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,880
we invited stephen greer to come and he

2032
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,159
declined

2033
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:24,400
he was in town that night nope this

2034
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,199
isn't first for me

2035
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:29,120
i have similar video of this from other

2036
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:46,950
that one that one's

2037
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,709
actually if you wanted to i mean i think

2038
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,520
what

2039
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,600
everyone is saying is really interesting

2040
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,719
uh but

2041
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:54,000
um

2042
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,520
you think

2043
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,199
when you look back at this and you look

2044
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,280
it over now you're thinking it's

2045
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,360
possible that what you were looking at

2046
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:03,920
was flares or not

2047
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:07,920
i came to that conclusion in 99

2048
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:10,880
what i what i was doing was i was

2049
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,360
working with the four videos

2050
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:15,760
and something hit me that

2051
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,400
there was a theory that village labs had

2052
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,480
that there were two events at 10 that i

2053
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,080
had filmed one here

2054
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,920
and you guys probably heard this and

2055
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,679
then the crap moved in front of south

2056
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,920
mountain and that's when uh mike

2057
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,480
christian filmed his then there was this

2058
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,600
big controversy with that video is that

2059
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,760
in front of south mountain or is that

2060
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,520
above south mountain because if it's

2061
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,199
above south mountain that makes some

2062
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:41,760
flares if they're in front

2063
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,280
that's not a flare drop because

2064
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:45,120
everybody in the south phoenix would see

2065
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,920
that

2066
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,280
um

2067
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,760
jim screwed up his analysis he got those

2068
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:51,440
lights wrong he just kind of put him

2069
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:52,880
where he thought they would go he didn't

2070
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:56,560
actually use any staging thing right

2071
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,440
uh with that so what i did is i'm like

2072
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:01,840
well if this moved i filmed it and then

2073
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,239
it lit up again how come i just couldn't

2074
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,560
look to the right and film it

2075
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,080
i should have seen it right it's in my

2076
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,320
line of sight so what i did was i put

2077
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:12,480
the four videos together mine

2078
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:13,760
uh

2079
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,800
chuck raritans cherry proctors

2080
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,960
and by christians and i figured out how

2081
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,199
to start and stop them with four videos

2082
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,800
so you have mine one coin it's on my

2083
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:24,719
site you have one in one corner it's a

2084
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:27,280
split screen video so when i pause

2085
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,159
recording the video stops and when i hit

2086
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,480
record again it sinks in so all four

2087
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:34,560
videos play in real time

2088
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:37,600
when you watch this you go oh

2089
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:40,320
we were recording all one event this did

2090
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,440
not move

2091
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,040
in front of any mountains like mike

2092
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:45,199
christian says because when mike

2093
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,199
christian's video ends

2094
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,719
the guy behind him who filmed the

2095
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,400
boomerang we just watched he's still

2096
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,640
filming those 10 p.m lights

2097
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,560
how is he doing that because they fell

2098
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,080
below the mountains and mike can't see

2099
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,480
him anymore but terry proctor lives

2100
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:00,400
hundreds of feet above him in elevation

2101
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,960
he could still see him

2102
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,920
hmm

2103
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,679
so you think they there were flares that

2104
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:06,880
were dropping is that what you're

2105
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,840
getting at yeah i mean i i'm about 95

2106
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,320
sure i mean that trailing light like i

2107
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:14,000
said kind of thrills me and then

2108
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,679
charnell's video

2109
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,760
uh it's just it looks just like my video

2110
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:19,280
but it's moving at you and it's like 13

2111
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:20,560
minutes long

2112
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,199
yeah but let's let's get one thing very

2113
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,600
straight here for the listener and

2114
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:27,440
people that just watch that

2115
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,719
there was

2116
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,000
events

2117
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:32,000
that people actually witnessed there

2118
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:34,400
were the lights that people talked about

2119
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,320
there were people that were seeing the

2120
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:38,719
sky blackout above them in a triangular

2121
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,239
or boomerang as you say uh formation

2122
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,679
um that

2123
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,920
they could see like a ripple of water i

2124
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:48,480
remember someone that said uh it was

2125
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,239
like a a kid at the time in 1997. i

2126
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,159
think he said it was like when you look

2127
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,560
at a road on a really hot summer day and

2128
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,800
it ripples you know that's that's what

2129
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:00,320
he could see the stars were like

2130
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:02,000
rippling through when this thing went

2131
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,199
over yeah that would be tim lee's son

2132
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:07,840
yeah that was his testimony um mike

2133
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,920
fortune said the same thing he said when

2134
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:12,080
he saw it go by there was the moon there

2135
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:13,440
and the thing went kind of through the

2136
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:14,400
moon

2137
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,199
so he could see like the outline of the

2138
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:19,440
the ship and he said that's when he saw

2139
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,400
just like

2140
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:22,239
match that other that was a wavery

2141
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,520
yellow

2142
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,920
uh but there was it was it's semi

2143
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,080
invisible so i think what happens is

2144
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:30,080
when you see that black triangle

2145
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:31,360
it can become

2146
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,040
totally invisible

2147
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,280
i i guess stealth or it could just turn

2148
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,000
it off and you see it

2149
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,719
yeah it's very very very weird any other

2150
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,320
questions anybody wants yeah there's

2151
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,639
questions that are coming up here uh

2152
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:46,880
here's one right here from richard maybe

2153
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:50,480
we can learn what they quote unquote uh

2154
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:53,360
wanted to accomplish by looking at

2155
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,719
what actually changed after the event

2156
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:59,520
did the event change our ideas

2157
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,760
about ets etc

2158
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,120
i'm not sure you know that was a that

2159
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,440
was one of the biggest mass sightings

2160
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:06,719
ever

2161
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:08,960
do you think it changed people's minds

2162
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:11,920
in at least arizona or that area

2163
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:19,030
the people that most people saw the

2164
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,880
first event they didn't see the 10

2165
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,120
o'clock event um

2166
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,199
90 of the witnesses saw the boomerang

2167
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:27,679
not the 10 pm event the 10 p.m event a

2168
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,920
lot of people were in bed and if you

2169
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,000
look at all the videos the reason that

2170
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:34,159
these videos are recorded is because the

2171
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:36,000
people lived in basically million dollar

2172
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:37,600
homes that had a hell of a view of the

2173
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,360
valley so if you're on the floor of the

2174
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,280
valley you're not seeing what happened

2175
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,360
at ten it's impossible

2176
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:44,880
uh the people that saw what that

2177
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,840
happened at 8 30 this changed most of

2178
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:49,440
their lives they were never the same

2179
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,639
afterwards

2180
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,440
they were like i i got to see it into

2181
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,199
another world that there's something

2182
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,600
bigger than all of us here

2183
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:59,360
almost everyone i talked to said this is

2184
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,600
some e.t ship they don't know who it is

2185
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,360
or where it came from but sure the hell

2186
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,199
wasn't made here

2187
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,600
and we're not using this thing at war

2188
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,440
we're using i guess that fake military

2189
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,400
with the f-18s and the f-35s and when we

2190
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,639
really got ufos sitting in these hangers

2191
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:16,880
we don't use like the uh secret space

2192
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:19,520
program too right yeah i think that's

2193
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:22,159
what they call it uh so thomas is saying

2194
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,159
they were trying to light up the object

2195
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,639
maryland a tens do you know what they

2196
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,960
are though uh maryland national guard

2197
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:30,719
was visiting at the time they're the

2198
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,639
ones that are in this foia paperwork um

2199
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,560
they were they were

2200
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:38,639
uh they said with the reason there's so

2201
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,920
many stories

2202
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,840
that the military gave us they said that

2203
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,760
the reason they ejected these flares is

2204
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,679
because you can't land with them or the

2205
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,520
plane will blow up

2206
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,760
that they're extremely volatile and

2207
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,520
they'll hit if the plane doesn't land

2208
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:53,520
right fuel tank hits or something the

2209
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,040
flares and i'm like come on it's bs

2210
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,440
planes land with with lethal ordnance

2211
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,440
all the time you don't have a plane that

2212
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,679
goes up and says hey we can't land with

2213
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,520
these sidewinders and these bombs so

2214
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:07,280
just shoot them hell

2215
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,040
yeah the only thing you ever hear about

2216
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,520
a plane doing is they'll dump their fuel

2217
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:13,199
because they'll be too heavy to land but

2218
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,159
that's it

2219
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,320
i've talked throughout i've ever heard i

2220
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:18,880
talked to i think a lieutenant in

2221
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,000
tucson um and he told me that they never

2222
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,639
ever refuel over any cities like for

2223
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,440
instance the video we just saw from 1992

2224
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,040
of those two boomerangs

2225
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,440
yeah okay that if that was let's say a

2226
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,440
refueling operation they didn't refuel

2227
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,679
here they they said they refuel over the

2228
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,440
mountains around kingman

2229
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,360
in flagstaff where there's

2230
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,679
very sparse populations so they just

2231
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,199
they dump on those people that own

2232
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:45,600
cabins up there

2233
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:46,719
yeah

2234
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,520
so i've heard of the proctor video so

2235
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,040
someone uh stephen is saying what about

2236
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,560
the proctor video

2237
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,880
of the phoenix lights

2238
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,120
that's the one we just watched

2239
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,280
oh okay it was the real grainy one with

2240
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:01,840
the five said

2241
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,199
terry proctor uh or terry mclaren

2242
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,120
depends on his alias

2243
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,760
all these guys had aliases is very weird

2244
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,480
um he shot the 8 30 event and the 10

2245
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:14,719
o'clock event and then he turned around

2246
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,679
and he gave the tape to mufon and said i

2247
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,679
don't want nothing to do with this

2248
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,120
i'm giving it to you you own the

2249
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,679
copyright everything he said the 10 pm

2250
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:25,360
event was flares they've been doing this

2251
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,400
for months

2252
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,560
he goes i see this every night he's one

2253
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,639
two and then when he they lit the sky up

2254
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:32,159
then he's like oh my god they're really

2255
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,800
going you know to the wall tonight

2256
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,960
so that guy immediately he was one of

2257
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:38,239
the three i mentioned that was just

2258
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,320
watching these players over and over and

2259
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,719
over so it goes back to the first thing

2260
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,719
i was saying that no the 10 pm event

2261
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,520
wasn't players dropped to debunk the 8

2262
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,120
30 event because they were going to do

2263
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,360
this anyway whether the boomerang showed

2264
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:53,199
up or not those players are going to get

2265
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,560
fired

2266
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,480
it was just two mass sightings that

2267
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,639
happened at the same time it made this a

2268
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:00,320
super sighting and that's why so many

2269
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,920
people seen it

2270
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,920
if the flares didn't happen

2271
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:05,440
the boomerang thing still would have

2272
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:06,639
took place

2273
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:08,239
it would have been a small blip on the

2274
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:10,159
news because the video hardly anybody

2275
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:11,679
has any video and it would have went

2276
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,480
away

2277
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,719
but the 10 p.m videos kept the story

2278
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:19,189
wow well okay we have we're going to be

2279
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,800
having calls here in just a minute i'll

2280
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:23,760
put the number up um so jay allen says

2281
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:25,760
honestly our test aircraft out in

2282
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,040
arizona

2283
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:29,600
we almost always have a chase aircraft

2284
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:33,360
following gathering video telemetry uh

2285
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,080
tel telemetry not saying this is the

2286
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:37,440
explanation

2287
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,560
but uh differentiate differentiate now

2288
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:43,199
isn't that chase aircraft armed most of

2289
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,639
the time

2290
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,520
because uh from from what i was told

2291
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,520
that chase aircraft is to make sure that

2292
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,360
their experimental aircraft doesn't

2293
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,920
defect if that guy thinks he's taking

2294
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,520
off with this

2295
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:58,000
and say go into iran a chase aircraft

2296
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,920
will shoot him down crash into them or

2297
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:01,280
blow him up

2298
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,760
i think it's yeah they're for for safety

2299
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,600
reasons and insurance reasons to make

2300
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,760
sure we don't lose this because there

2301
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,360
has been you know times in the past

2302
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,800
where russians have landed with the

2303
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:12,400
megan say i defect here it's yours

2304
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,590
yeah yeah i'm going to open the phone

2305
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:19,600
lines now we we have certainly enough

2306
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,000
people in here um and now i i do i know

2307
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,080
i had francis barwood on for a short

2308
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,080
time but um

2309
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,480
does she still take heat from from this

2310
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,080
after all this time

2311
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:34,239
uh she has been

2312
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,600
probably more quiet than me uh in 2003 i

2313
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:39,360
got burnt out and just walked away from

2314
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,719
all this um

2315
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:42,960
and i understand that i told you i i

2316
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,199
gave it everything i had to figure this

2317
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,280
out um

2318
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,800
so and then 2015 my daughter urged me to

2319
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,400
she's like hey was my friends always

2320
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,920
talk about that thing you were involved

2321
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,360
in a long time ago why don't you get

2322
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:56,960
back in it so

2323
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,840
i i put my toe back in the water and

2324
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,840
then i fell in deep now i can't get i'm

2325
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,679
hooked on this damn thing again i

2326
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,960
successfully quit for 12 years went into

2327
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:08,560
hiding nobody can get a hold of me

2328
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,360
nothing and now i'm back uh now i'm

2329
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,600
using 4k thermal whatever i can get

2330
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,199
before get my hands on

2331
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:18,000
yeah that happens i had um chris uh i

2332
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,960
can't think of his name right now on um

2333
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,960
ufo historian

2334
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,560
in massachusetts

2335
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,159
or not no chris o'brien's been on a

2336
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,400
million times i'm trying to think of uh

2337
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:30,639
great guy i'm gonna be doing some things

2338
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:31,840
with them in the future i just can't

2339
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,679
think of his name i'll think of it but

2340
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,360
here's uh here's another question again

2341
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:37,760
the lines are open eight five five four

2342
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:39,840
seven two five four eight three

2343
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:42,239
and that number will be up on the on the

2344
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,280
screen

2345
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,679
um did anyone report failing cameras or

2346
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,880
electronics

2347
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,480
in presence of these triangles that

2348
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,400
happens a lot

2349
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:52,320
absolutely

2350
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,280
um

2351
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,159
in this case that i know of uh

2352
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,120
it was when i was shooting so

2353
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,520
when the video we just watched

2354
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,360
there's a party going on there a bunch

2355
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,760
of people on this balcony this

2356
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:07,760
the the thing the string of lights was

2357
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,400
so low that i really couldn't see it on

2358
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,480
the second story balcony and i didn't

2359
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,480
know this guy steve blonder but i

2360
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,600
thought

2361
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:17,280
i've been asked to come here to record

2362
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:18,960
this or whatever's going to happen and

2363
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,480
i'm going to do it

2364
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,040
and i threw manners out the window and i

2365
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,360
jumped up on his balcony rail which is

2366
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:27,920
just this cement thing about this wide

2367
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,159
and i'm standing there filming like this

2368
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:32,400
and i have a tv pop-up tv so everyone

2369
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:34,480
can see what i'm doing and i'm trying to

2370
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:37,520
balance like you know and film and shoot

2371
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,239
this as it unfolds

2372
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,480
bill's camera malfunction bill hamilton

2373
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:44,000
he's a guy who did under on base

2374
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,120
research

2375
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:47,280
his camp battery died and he charged it

2376
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,880
before we went because we know we're

2377
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,719
hunting ufos at night

2378
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,800
steve blonder's battery died for some

2379
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:54,560
reason he didn't even like he lived

2380
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:56,080
there he didn't even get in the charger

2381
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,760
and turn it on or there would have been

2382
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:59,760
three videos from this location

2383
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,639
so

2384
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,920
possibly

2385
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,840
they did it but then if you think the 10

2386
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,440
p.m or flares how the hell did players

2387
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:07,920
knock out his battery

2388
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,159
yeah there you go um so i want to know

2389
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:12,800
what this uh person uh beautiful spirit

2390
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,280
willis sold out so you have uh uh if

2391
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:17,280
you'd like to call in i'm wondering what

2392
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,360
they are talking or what this one person

2393
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:22,239
is talking about but it it it it doesn't

2394
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,639
matter you know i i have people will

2395
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,639
write me nasty things and say nasty

2396
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,400
things and you know what

2397
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,320
have have a ball um because i really

2398
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,960
don't care i'm happy with what i do and

2399
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:33,920
uh

2400
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,760
and i and i'm trying to steer a clear

2401
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:37,360
course and try to be actual as much as

2402
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:41,120
possible so whatever um have fun

2403
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,440
um so the lines are open again that's

2404
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:47,120
855-472-5483 i was looking for

2405
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:53,350
anyway uh there were some people that

2406
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,400
saw the boomerang that felt

2407
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,800
a peaceful connection with it so i don't

2408
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:00,960
know if that's a thing um i didn't see

2409
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,159
the boomerang i saw the 10 pm deal

2410
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:06,400
but just meeting these people that they

2411
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:09,040
weren't the same i mean i think most of

2412
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:10,719
the people had post-traumatic stress

2413
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:13,280
disorder that they were just shocked i

2414
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,000
mean

2415
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,480
how the hell do you go back to work on

2416
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,760
friday

2417
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,679
when last night you seen an alien ship

2418
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,080
fly over and today you're packing boxes

2419
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,080
or whatever the hell your job is

2420
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,400
i remember when i got home from work

2421
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,239
i was playing i mean we were out till

2422
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,239
midnight and i worked construction so

2423
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:32,719
i'd get up at like 4 30. i was playing

2424
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,159
that tape till three o'clock in the

2425
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,159
morning rewinding it going what the hell

2426
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,239
just took place and then i couldn't i

2427
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,320
would i'd be doing it be doing the same

2428
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:42,400
thing and then i went to work next day

2429
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:44,000
it's tired going

2430
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,400
alien ships last night it's gonna be on

2431
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,560
the new and then i get home from work

2432
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,480
and i think okay i gotta i gotta get

2433
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,320
with bill and get bill a copy of the

2434
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,400
tape get steve blonder go back to his

2435
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,080
house where i recorded get him a copy of

2436
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:58,159
the tape and i get home my answering

2437
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:59,440
machine is full i don't know if people

2438
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:01,280
knew what answering machines

2439
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,800
they were this thing with a tape and

2440
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:05,040
they'd record like 12 calls it was full

2441
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:06,480
tv reporters

2442
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,800
and bill bill goes tom

2443
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:10,159
we missed it

2444
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,159
something huge happened last night and

2445
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:16,159
we saw like a small section of it but

2446
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:18,159
there was something amazing calling me

2447
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:20,320
and that's when we found out that all

2448
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:22,560
hell broke loose that's right i mean we

2449
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,120
we know if this was an alien invasion

2450
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:27,120
we we definitely felt the the

2451
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:28,960
investigators that this was a show of

2452
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:31,520
force this was basically saying don't

2453
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,800
screw with us

2454
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:34,800
i mean we can turn off your nukes look

2455
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,560
at the size of these ships they're the

2456
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:38,880
size of your town

2457
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:41,280
yeah and if one of those let's say you

2458
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:42,639
know people say

2459
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:45,199
those are out of area 51 and then again

2460
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,679
with that we never use it we just fly

2461
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:49,440
him around on joy rides

2462
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,639
uh

2463
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,040
if that thing crashed

2464
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:55,199
it would have took out tempe i mean it

2465
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:56,639
would have took out hundreds and

2466
01:32:01,510 --> 01:31:59,040
hundreds of homes and you just don't do

2467
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:01,520
that with experimental technology that's

2468
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,560
new and just cruise over down the strip

2469
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,320
in las vegas bring it back the next

2470
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,560
night and nobody still record it then

2471
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,560
fly down phoenix

2472
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:12,400
we're due for another one of these and

2473
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,840
next time

2474
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:15,040
it's going to be different because

2475
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,480
people are going to record it with their

2476
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:18,719
phones the government's more open and

2477
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:20,320
you off awoke

2478
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:21,040
uh

2479
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,800
hopefully we'll be alive when this

2480
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:24,960
happens because it is going to happen it

2481
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,120
just happened again in ireland

2482
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:29,840
and it's just the lottery shot when this

2483
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:32,000
thing's gonna fly over town with its

2484
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:34,080
mile-long buddies

2485
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,560
right right we have uh we have a couple

2486
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,639
of phone calls here uh we're gonna take

2487
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:40,560
the first one we have steve

2488
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:43,040
uh from oregon steve you are live and on

2489
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,520
the air welcome to the show

2490
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:47,679
hello hey guys can you hear me okay

2491
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:49,920
yeah we can hear you

2492
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,880
okay um so my i have a comment

2493
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,280
just on your video that you captured at

2494
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:57,440
10 o'clock in the flares

2495
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,880
i just think you're greatly

2496
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:00,960
underestimating

2497
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,960
the value of that video

2498
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:04,080
because

2499
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:06,719
that video and the videos like it got

2500
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,679
played on all the local news stations

2501
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:11,520
all day the next day

2502
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:14,320
yes it did it's very clear that

2503
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:16,560
very clear that nothing

2504
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,320
like that had been happening in the

2505
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,120
prior months nothing even close to that

2506
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,600
so it's a pretty clear indicator that

2507
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:25,120
that was

2508
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,639
orchestrated to cover the 8 30 event

2509
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,280
and to confuse all the reportings about

2510
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,440
the 8 30 event

2511
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,440
and i don't you know for the guys

2512
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:37,920
running around saying

2513
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,840
the flare drops happen all the time over

2514
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,520
the military range

2515
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:44,000
that there's no way flare drops that

2516
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,520
happened all the time would have made it

2517
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:47,199
on local news

2518
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,440
on all the stations the next day got

2519
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:50,880
getting played

2520
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:53,600
i mean that was an orchestrated event

2521
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:56,239
to confuse the population about what

2522
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,719
happened at 8 30. it was pretty clear i

2523
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,159
mean like you said

2524
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:02,320
reports were coming into from paulden

2525
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:03,120
from

2526
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:04,719
you know clear across the state there's

2527
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,600
also reports from prescott

2528
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:09,280
so i just i think

2529
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:10,960
the video that you have is very

2530
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,280
important because it documents

2531
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:15,280
the government's attempt to obfuscate

2532
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:16,239
the whole

2533
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:17,760
event

2534
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,960
and i that's just my comment about

2535
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,239
what you have there

2536
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:24,480
well thanks for calling in i appreciate

2537
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,080
your comment um

2538
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,320
i was totally on board

2539
01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:30,480
with that the deeper i fell into this

2540
01:34:34,229 --> 01:34:32,239
rabbit hole the more i realized that

2541
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,239
they were just shooting these flares off

2542
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:36,560
anyway not in a mass thing where they're

2543
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,960
shooting off nine like that the they

2544
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:40,719
said that they discharged these at about

2545
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:43,040
a 7 500 feet

2546
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,880
and then we have three mountain or two

2547
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,560
mountain ranges the estrellas in south

2548
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:49,119
mountain about 3 500 feet so they have

2549
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:50,719
to clear that

2550
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,400
in order to be seen

2551
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:54,960
but here's here's my point if this was a

2552
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,600
distraction how come only a few people

2553
01:35:02,149 --> 01:34:59,440
saw it i mean

2554
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,159
the the five videos were shot by

2555
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,480
basically people had really nice houses

2556
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:06,880
but the people on the valley floor

2557
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:09,199
didn't see what happened at 10 because

2558
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:10,320
you can't

2559
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,560
most of those saw the 8 30 event so if

2560
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,679
this was a cover-up for 8 30 they failed

2561
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:17,360
because most of the people weren't able

2562
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:21,040
to see it it did get recorded

2563
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,719
what you're saying can't be ruled out at

2564
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:24,159
all

2565
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:25,920
not a hundred percent

2566
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:27,440
i just don't believe our government's

2567
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:28,800
that good

2568
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,880
uh everybody our government sucks i mean

2569
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:35,760
we saw in horror on 9 11 basically just

2570
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,760
people toying with us for hours until

2571
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:39,840
our government got their crap together

2572
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:42,960
and that was a a shocking new experience

2573
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:45,119
for everybody but for us people in the

2574
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,560
phoenix lights were like there's more

2575
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,560
government and confidence again

2576
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,480
people can fly anywhere they want they

2577
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,960
could fly over malibu and bomb

2578
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,040
caitlyn jenner's house and get away with

2579
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,360
it no you'll know what happened

2580
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,880
it's just an illusion that their

2581
01:36:01,510 --> 01:36:00,400
government has its crap together in

2582
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,520
their production

2583
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,360
at all

2584
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,000
we can hear you now yeah go ahead okay

2585
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:08,080
sorry about that but the problem with

2586
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,760
that is

2587
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:11,679
if if it was happening all along there's

2588
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,119
no way that would have made it on the

2589
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:14,719
local news

2590
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,719
on all these local stations you can go

2591
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,560
on youtube right now

2592
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:20,880
and find the local news coverage and you

2593
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:23,679
say nobody saw that everybody around the

2594
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:27,199
world has seen that a million times

2595
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:30,400
he meant he meant lives

2596
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:33,520
he meant contemporaries contemporary to

2597
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,639
the moment

2598
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,480
that only the people that were in higher

2599
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,199
elevations we're able to see it so what

2600
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,280
i'm getting at correct me if i'm wrong

2601
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:43,440
tom but what i'm what he was saying

2602
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:46,639
there is that um if they were going to

2603
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:49,360
cover up cover-ups or try to cover up

2604
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:50,480
they would

2605
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,719
elevations where people did see you know

2606
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,280
the boomerang and not way up above where

2607
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,360
only a few houses uh that are in the

2608
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,000
higher elevations will see this

2609
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,159
well if they if they launched it up

2610
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:06,719
higher

2611
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,360
hang on i i'm sorry i had to mute you uh

2612
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,520
uh steve go ahead i mean i'm yeah steve

2613
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,360
i had to mute you go ahead tom quick if

2614
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,440
they launched that 10 000 feet up higher

2615
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:17,760
it would have been seen by everybody

2616
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:20,800
okay but 7 500 feet was barely in the

2617
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,239
context i think of what he's saying is

2618
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,920
millions of people have seen the

2619
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,760
aftermath of this and yeah it was on

2620
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,760
local news the next day but in the

2621
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:30,159
context of living through that in real

2622
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:32,080
time the government denied all

2623
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,400
responsibility for the 10 pm right after

2624
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,560
that they didn't just step up and go yep

2625
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:38,480
those were our flares man that's all

2626
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:41,600
there is to it it took three months uh

2627
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,760
until eileen benz

2628
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:45,440
dug deep she was

2629
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:48,560
i believe uh air force officer here

2630
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:49,440
and

2631
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:51,440
it's funny she found my stray cat i went

2632
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:54,320
missing it's a weird world um

2633
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,800
she dug in and i think was 90 days later

2634
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,560
all of a sudden the military reversed

2635
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:01,040
and said okay we're taking credit for

2636
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:03,280
the 10 p.m we don't know what happened

2637
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:04,880
at 8 30. so

2638
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,679
up

2639
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:08,639
obscure yeah but they didn't come

2640
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:11,040
forward if this was a cover-up how come

2641
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:12,800
nobody came forward said yeah those are

2642
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,360
flares immediately they gave off so many

2643
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,600
stories i called luke air force base and

2644
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,239
they said that uh one night they said we

2645
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,960
think that was a an ultralight pilot

2646
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:24,960
that was flying christmas lights behind

2647
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:26,000
it

2648
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:27,679
and then i called the next night and i

2649
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:29,600
talked to a different person and i said

2650
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,119
what do you think about the theory that

2651
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,639
this was an ultralight with christmas

2652
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:34,719
lights and they said that's preposterous

2653
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:36,400
they said well your co-worker told me

2654
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,159
that last night you guys really need to

2655
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:40,320
get your act together the dealing with

2656
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,600
the military

2657
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:44,480
uh and there are spokespeople from luke

2658
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,040
all over it was it was a mess i mean

2659
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:50,080
they put out no consistent messaging if

2660
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,679
they were gonna cover up they would have

2661
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,760
this is our point we're driving that

2662
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:55,760
talking point home they had nothing they

2663
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:57,199
were all over the map they didn't know

2664
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,800
what i think that they were just

2665
01:39:02,709 --> 01:38:59,840
basically

2666
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,719
calling their pants down this night

2667
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:03,760
yeah

2668
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:05,360
all right steve well hey thank you for

2669
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,800
the call we have someone else holding

2670
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,560
thank you steve

2671
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,239
thank you now

2672
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,080
all right we have rob calling from

2673
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,000
florida rob you are live on the air

2674
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,590
martin good evening to you and uh i i

2675
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:21,520
was the one that sent you that email the

2676
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,080
other day uh about my theory about why

2677
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,760
cars stall you know when yes

2678
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,320
yeah i was um i was out i was off the

2679
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:32,880
grid for a while i'm not even sure i

2680
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,639
remember seeing the email but i don't

2681
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,320
even remember if i responded to you if i

2682
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,600
didn't eventually i'll try to

2683
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,159
no you you did it it was uh i'm on the

2684
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,639
road and i'll get back with you totally

2685
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,760
understand

2686
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,600
we're just pulled into baton rouge on

2687
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:49,199
our way to roswell we're going to be a

2688
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,440
week in roswell week in tucson two weeks

2689
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,520
in phoenix and two weeks in albuquerque

2690
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,440
and i hope to do some research at the

2691
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,360
david marlar facility when i'm out there

2692
01:40:03,590 --> 01:39:59,440
but great show tonight this you know

2693
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:03,600
steve phoenix lights is such a damn good

2694
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,080
case because yeah you got the videos

2695
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,159
which are looked at when i saw it look

2696
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,320
like flares you know slowly filtering

2697
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,000
down but it's the veracity of the

2698
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:14,480
witnesses of the large you know uh

2699
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:18,159
boomerang shape and my question is

2700
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:20,960
do you think this translucent effect of

2701
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,679
these objects is this the light being

2702
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:25,840
bent around these things by some kind of

2703
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,480
an anti-gravity effect or is it an act

2704
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:30,480
of camouflage which i don't think is the

2705
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:31,840
active camouflage because why would you

2706
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:33,600
burn big old lights if you're trying to

2707
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:35,440
hide behind active camouflage but what

2708
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:37,119
are your thoughts about that as far as

2709
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:40,000
the translucence of this object

2710
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:42,000
good question

2711
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:45,280
i think that is just their technology to

2712
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:46,560
decide

2713
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,719
who is going to see it from what angle i

2714
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:50,800
mean can they make it a hundred percent

2715
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:53,119
camouflaged or they can like

2716
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:55,199
camouflage it from a certain degree so

2717
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:57,119
people over here can see it there are

2718
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,040
people that would see one event and they

2719
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:01,360
wouldn't see another one like me i

2720
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,800
should have saw more than one event at

2721
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,480
ten o'clock and i just saw

2722
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:06,800
what i saw but

2723
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,040
we don't really know i mean we can't

2724
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,360
ever really understand this technology

2725
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,840
if it was not never built on this planet

2726
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:16,320
to begin with or around here this thing

2727
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:17,600
seems to be

2728
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,080
maybe at least a couple of 100 years

2729
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,800
more advanced than anything we have this

2730
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,440
boomerang is like a flying aircraft

2731
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,199
carrier that has those lights that

2732
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:28,960
undock that it can

2733
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:33,280
shoot around uh f15 intercepted it

2734
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,960
scared the hell out of them they

2735
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:36,800
couldn't even scan it they couldn't you

2736
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:39,040
know get a radar lock on it they

2737
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,560
probably have flare footage of it

2738
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:42,000
because i don't think you can jam a

2739
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,440
floor pod thank god so there must be a

2740
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,119
collection within the intelligence

2741
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,080
agency of just what this is

2742
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,800
oh don't you know the amount of sensors

2743
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,560
they have i mean you you can only

2744
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,719
imagine the data they actually have

2745
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,239
which is why i think they're so quiet

2746
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:00,239
about because it's just an enormous

2747
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,239
amount of data and they've been silent

2748
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:04,560
so long and be hard to just open the

2749
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:07,760
door say okay here it is boys you know

2750
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,920
i yeah i think we have everything we

2751
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:11,760
need but it's locked up in the

2752
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,639
government um and it's classified the

2753
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:16,639
truth is classified

2754
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,639
what what what i'd like to see is people

2755
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:19,840
like avi

2756
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:22,239
uh loeb and the galileo project get

2757
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,080
security clearances for like him and

2758
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:26,000
kevin newth and some of these scientists

2759
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,920
do background checks security clearances

2760
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,360
and then say now you can go look at the

2761
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,520
sensor data you look at the radar stuff

2762
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:33,280
you can look at the air force is hiding

2763
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,950
they'd probably make them sign an nda

2764
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,560
that they couldn't you know if it's

2765
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,000
classified of course they wouldn't let

2766
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:44,159
them expose any of it you know but it

2767
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:45,360
would be nice

2768
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:49,360
mean one of the things of course i'll

2769
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:53,119
ask lou elizondo next week is uh you

2770
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,639
know uh

2771
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,400
if you could talk about everything you

2772
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:58,800
know that's classified would that change

2773
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,600
the world you know that and you know i i

2774
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,679
know you can ask questions like that but

2775
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:04,880
uh i don't know what he's going to

2776
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,280
answer or not answer hey rob that was a

2777
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,199
great question thank you for the call

2778
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:11,600
thank you rob ah my pleasure always

2779
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,960
enjoy it

2780
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:14,719
thank you all right martin i think we're

2781
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,199
at the point where we need basically

2782
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,679
just another snowden guy just to say you

2783
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:21,440
know what i'm gonna throw it all away

2784
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:23,199
put me in jail this is what happened

2785
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,679
here's the tapes here's the data uh i

2786
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:27,760
put it out there on so many you know all

2787
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,719
over the internet it's out there now uh

2788
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:33,520
lock me up because if i that's why i'd

2789
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:35,040
never get into one of these government

2790
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,719
jobs because i would be that guy

2791
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:40,320
yeah nobody trusts me with that

2792
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,440
information

2793
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:44,480
right um someone asked uh marcus

2794
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,040
what did any i i know there's some mass

2795
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:49,280
sighting so i doubt this would happen

2796
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,159
because so many people saw it but there

2797
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,800
was the separate sightings of separate

2798
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:56,880
objects

2799
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,239
did anyone report any missing time

2800
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:02,800
there's a report on the national ufo

2801
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:05,119
reporting center of a person in tucson

2802
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:06,719
that encountered a creature in his house

2803
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:08,800
that night i don't know if it's related

2804
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:11,119
to the sighting or not it just happened

2805
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:12,560
on the same date

2806
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:16,080
uh there's also a mystery of four hikers

2807
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:18,080
that disappeared that are presumed dead

2808
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,199
uh

2809
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:21,199
i don't know if that's real i i looked

2810
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:23,199
into that a bit um apparently there were

2811
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,639
four people hiking by the estrella

2812
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:26,480
mountains and that's where my video

2813
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:28,639
would have been or in that neighborhood

2814
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,280
and they're saying they just disappeared

2815
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,520
and were kidnapped abducted but i don't

2816
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,080
know but you were never able to document

2817
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:38,880
that uh no i i looked at i looked that

2818
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:41,280
was when i was in my obi wan years while

2819
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,199
i was wandering the desert for 12 years

2820
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:45,840
hiding and then i read i i wasn't in

2821
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:47,920
ufology at that point but i was keeping

2822
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,560
tabs on it and then watching some stuff

2823
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,159
yeah that's why you won't see me in out

2824
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:54,880
of the blue or the other james fox one

2825
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:57,199
because i i just at that point was

2826
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:58,400
walked away

2827
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:01,280
yeah the person i was mentioning before

2828
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:02,400
that's chris

2829
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:05,760
pittman from massachusetts he um he does

2830
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,400
great work and and has and he had to he

2831
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,360
had to walk away from it for a while

2832
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:12,800
there's a video i'd like to share show

2833
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:15,760
and here's why yeah absolutely yeah sure

2834
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:17,600
yeah we still got we still have about

2835
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:20,719
nine minutes left right now all right

2836
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:22,400
so this is probably a two minute long

2837
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:23,840
video

2838
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,119
yeah this is uh this is what i do now um

2839
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:29,520
i have 4k camera surrounding my house

2840
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:31,920
i've most of chandler and some of tempe

2841
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,480
under 24-hour surveillance so if the

2842
01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:37,040
boomerang lingers back and i hear about

2843
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,199
it i'll have it saved on the dvr

2844
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:42,000
uh right now i'm recording uh ufos from

2845
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:43,600
time to time that are flying over

2846
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:44,719
phoenix

2847
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:47,119
um sometimes they're fast sometimes

2848
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:48,239
they're slow

2849
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,760
uh i'm going to show you a couple of tic

2850
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,679
tacs here

2851
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,119
whoa

2852
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:55,760
okay bring on the tic tacs

2853
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,520
on this episode

2854
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,239
of 4k sky watching

2855
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:02,239
the surveillance system picked up two

2856
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:05,440
tic tac type objects up at 15 000 feet

2857
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:11,430
my system picked up this white object uh

2858
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,280
just under the clouds

2859
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:15,280
going between two to three hundred miles

2860
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,400
per hour

2861
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,199
it's heading against the wind

2862
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:21,040
and at first i thought maybe this is a

2863
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,800
plane because it looks like something

2864
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,320
similar to that but there's no wings

2865
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,639
there's nothing

2866
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,400
the footage is

2867
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:30,880
not quite in focus i can't get this

2868
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:33,040
surveillance camera to focus to infinity

2869
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:36,080
so it kind of pulses in and out

2870
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,840
going to a wide angle to uh try and find

2871
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,840
it and a small plane flies over

2872
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,920
you can see whatever this is it's way

2873
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:45,840
the heck up there i mean you could not

2874
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,199
even see this from the ground with the

2875
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,520
naked eye these tic tacs are up there so

2876
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:51,360
high that you can't see them uh from the

2877
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:53,920
ground without binoculars so this object

2878
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:56,560
is cruising at a pretty good consistent

2879
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,760
pace going from the left to the right

2880
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,199
this is when the second object comes

2881
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:03,119
into play um keep your eyes on the

2882
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,880
bottom part of the screen

2883
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,560
another one just like this is going to

2884
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,639
come up and it's going to be moving uh

2885
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:10,080
same speed hopefully people can see

2886
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:11,760
different direction it's entered the

2887
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,600
scene now it's moving up

2888
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:15,520
at this point i decided to switch from

2889
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,239
the 40-inch tv to the 55-inch so i can

2890
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:20,639
monitor this more carefully when this

2891
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:21,679
happened

2892
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:22,960
uh i didn't even know there were two

2893
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:25,280
uaps at this point

2894
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:27,040
i didn't know that until i played the

2895
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,960
footage back and found out i got

2896
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,880
confused so i end up losing the one

2897
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:32,480
that's going to the right

2898
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:34,400
and i'm focusing on

2899
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,440
this one that's moving up

2900
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:39,760
now keep watching

2901
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:42,480
this thing's going to stop

2902
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,360
so what happens is i i stumbled upon

2903
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:47,119
the bottom of your screen and one of

2904
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:58,470
or to get one that stops and then takes

2905
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:59,920
off

2906
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,239
repositioning the camera right now i'm

2907
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,560
not going to touch the camera controls

2908
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,800
i'm going to leave it so all the object

2909
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:08,960
movement you see is is from the object

2910
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:10,560
so the camera's locked down and not

2911
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:11,520
moving

2912
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:16,000
it came to a complete stop

2913
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:17,520
now it's just kind of hovering around

2914
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:20,159
and it's starting to drop down

2915
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:22,960
so you know i'm not i'm not seeing this

2916
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:25,600
but i have a very small screen if uh if

2917
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:28,239
someone has a big can expand this on the

2918
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:35,430
this is pretty much when i lose track of

2919
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:38,239
it now if these were balloons

2920
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:39,840
balloons don't ditch me like these

2921
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,239
things do balloons usually just slowly

2922
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:43,920
move the same direction i tape them for

2923
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,320
10 to 20 minutes and get bored with them

2924
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:48,880
i couldn't find this thing it lost me

2925
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:50,800
i go into a wide angle and you'll see

2926
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,880
this thing so high up you couldn't even

2927
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,560
see this from the ground

2928
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:56,320
uaps are back they're up there to be

2929
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:58,159
found

2930
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:59,920
what you're going to need a system and

2931
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:01,760
persistence to watch that a plane right

2932
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:03,199
there yeah

2933
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,480
so what do you think leave your comment

2934
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,080
yeah so

2935
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:10,239
so i have uh what we may have someone

2936
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,600
else let me just take a look oh yeah no

2937
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:13,440
we have uh we have about five minutes

2938
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,760
left so

2939
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:17,760
why do you think here's i'll end with

2940
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:19,119
this question

2941
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,520
and you know i'm sorry i i couldn't see

2942
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,280
much in that particular video yeah

2943
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,440
you'll need a bigger one

2944
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:28,080
yeah but i i want to end with this

2945
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,119
question and why do you suppose

2946
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,400
um they want to be seen or not want to

2947
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:36,400
be seen i mean obviously

2948
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,760
you know people have written me well

2949
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:39,280
obviously they want to be seen they have

2950
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:40,639
lights they don't need lights if they're

2951
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:42,639
going to travel from wherever they are

2952
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,080
to get here

2953
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,880
so obviously they want to be seen

2954
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,800
so it's kind of like a

2955
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,719
you know i'm asking for your opinion on

2956
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,080
this

2957
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:54,159
there's a few things in play here um

2958
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:56,239
some people most people see these just

2959
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:57,599
not a dumb luck

2960
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:59,760
they they just ha there's so many people

2961
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:01,199
that see uaps because they're walking

2962
01:50:04,629 --> 01:50:02,320
their dog

2963
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:04,639
it's so many people seeing phoenix

2964
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,159
lights because they're what's nice here

2965
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,400
they go outside to walk their dog

2966
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,320
or they're smoking yeah or they're

2967
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:12,560
smoking they got to go outside um and

2968
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:13,760
then you got

2969
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:16,480
fanatics like me that i got you know a

2970
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:19,679
good chunk of of investment into this

2971
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:21,840
i just cameras all over my house i'm

2972
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,000
looking and i'm looking hard and i'm

2973
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:26,159
looking harder than other people

2974
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,239
that's probably why i get

2975
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:30,400
to see more uaps and i just get small

2976
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,760
slices and chunks of this and that

2977
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:35,679
and then i think some of us were chosen

2978
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,629
so

2979
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,719
you know this thing that marjorie just

2980
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,800
put out there just observing like us

2981
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:49,040
studying animals here uh you know i

2982
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,719
don't doubt that in a way you know

2983
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:52,400
perhaps they're trying you know if

2984
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:55,040
that's that is uh the comment that a lot

2985
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,560
of people uh claim they either have

2986
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,239
you know through telepathy or whatever

2987
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:02,400
you know i mean people are saying that

2988
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,639
it's observation you know maybe maybe

2989
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,800
that's what it is and maybe uh if

2990
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:08,960
they're above us maybe they're

2991
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,119
i don't know i'm just speculating too i

2992
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,800
think one i'm throughout maybe they're

2993
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,719
just going to work

2994
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:16,159
we're just

2995
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,239
seeing them go from point a to b there's

2996
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:19,920
a couple patterns i see with the white

2997
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,320
uap tic tac type things they're either

2998
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,719
moving really slow like 35 miles an hour

2999
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:26,239
and they're blending in

3000
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:27,840
or they're moving a couple hundred miles

3001
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,560
an hour going from point a to point b we

3002
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,560
don't know where point a came from and

3003
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:35,119
we don't know where point b is

3004
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,360
why are they moving around why are we

3005
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:39,520
getting to see them it's like they slip

3006
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,239
in and slip out of our reality and yeah

3007
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,560
you gotta move real fast and to get them

3008
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,800
on tape you gotta you gotta hustle

3009
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:49,199
it's not easy to do what i'm doing

3010
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:52,000
i don't believe that uh you know the the

3011
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:53,280
theories

3012
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:56,159
of uh maybe a interdimensional type of

3013
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:57,840
thing should be off the table either i

3014
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,080
mean who knows i mean it could be part

3015
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,480
of it if not you know i'm not saying

3016
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,480
it's all of it but it certainly could be

3017
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,400
part of it especially when something is

3018
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,080
going in and out of

3019
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:10,639
what many people have seen

3020
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:12,400
objects you know

3021
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:13,920
going in and out of

3022
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:16,480
our reality more or less would you

3023
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:20,080
believe in destiny or choice

3024
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:21,840
destiny or choice

3025
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,239
i guess i'm a destiny i'm a destiny type

3026
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:26,880
guy like you were destined to do this

3027
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,119
this no matter what this was going like

3028
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:31,199
no matter what happened to me i was

3029
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,880
gonna end up being somehow involved in

3030
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,320
the phoenix lights

3031
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:35,840
well i think

3032
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:38,080
yeah i i think you're right i mean i

3033
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:40,800
feel as though something really great in

3034
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:43,040
my life has happened

3035
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:45,520
because i was sitting outside in a hot

3036
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:48,719
tub back in 2007 and saw something fly

3037
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:51,920
over me and here i am now and my life is

3038
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,400
pretty darn good and uh with some things

3039
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,360
that have happened um and meeting a

3040
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:00,000
certain person and all that um

3041
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:02,400
you know i have no regrets at all it's

3042
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,599
been wonderful

3043
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:06,080
so thank you so much and it's been a

3044
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:08,159
real pleasure talking to you tonight tom

3045
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:10,320
i'm so glad you called in back there um

3046
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,960
and we and i first got the initial uh

3047
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,360
call from you and was able to talk um

3048
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:17,440
that's dave altman

3049
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:19,599
that's right dave altman thank you

3050
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,159
love that guy yeah yeah and and also

3051
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:23,840
thanks for stepping your toe back into

3052
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:24,800
this and

3053
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:26,239
as you call it going down the rabbit

3054
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:27,520
hole whatever it is thank you yeah i'm

3055
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,679
just swimming and you followed you along

3056
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,119
with the rest of you now trying to

3057
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,280
figure out a piece by piece we're all

3058
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:35,040
going to try and push this ball down the

3059
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,400
field as far as we can but man lewis

3060
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,080
pushed him and chris millen had pushed

3061
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:42,320
this bar farther ball farther than

3062
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,440
anybody so i'm very appreciative of

3063
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,639
those two

3064
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:49,199
right all right you take care

3065
01:53:53,830 --> 01:53:51,040
thanks all right talk soon all right

3066
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,840
everyone so don't forget next week we

3067
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,199
have uh

3068
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,880
gary nolan

3069
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,040
lou elizondo

3070
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:01,360
and sean cahill it's going to be a great

3071
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:03,199
show and please send me your questions

3072
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:05,760
for that and thanks so much for watching

3073
01:54:12,350 --> 01:54:08,480
tonight and remember everyone to keep

3074
01:54:21,670 --> 01:54:12,360
your eyes to the sky